After Team Biden had their interaction with BATFE they released information regarding another post-election change in the offing...

Democrats Propose Sending Republicans To 'Unity Camps'
November 11th, 2020



U.S.—Leading Democrats are pushing for unity in our nation, and they've found a new way to implement the unity in a mandatory way: "Unity Camps," special institutions designed to teach and train Republicans to unify.

"There's nothing that'll make Republicans want unity more than a nice, relaxing stay in one of our Unity Camps," said Joe Biden. "Heck, in my day, we'd have killed to go to camp. I remember one summer, I was sitting in the pool watching my leg hair change color in the water. All the kids liked to run their fingers through it. Anyway, we were supposed to go to Camp Waggakopo the next summer, but Dad needed me on the farm and told me I could go to the academy the following year."

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has suggested using forced labor at the camps, compelling Republicans to run on giant hamster wheels to generate enough energy to run the country under a Green New Deal.

How much support is required?

There have been bills passed with over a hundred testimonies presented, many in person, against it versus 10 or fewer testimonies in favor of it.  Most recently, the ghost gun bill and other gun control measures.

Ghost guns were already illegal in Hawaii.  The new law seeks to punish LAW ABIDING gun owners.  Since the frame is not required to be treated as a firearm nationwide, anyone can travel to the mainland and buy a suitcase full and bring them home.  The law doesn't stop that, just like it doesn't stop someone from removing serial numbers or failing to register a completed build.

BTW, most untraceable guns are stolen with the serial numbers removed.  The ghost gun bill addresses  a small minority of those guns without serial numbers.  A solution without a real problem.  The impact is mostly on those who want to follow the law, and now sees that they must treat them like firearms.

If the ATF decides to ban 80% lowers and frames, they can just establish the percentage of completion to 50% .... 30% ..... 10% ..... 5%.  If the shape is anything resembling a frame or lower, no matter if it's a solid block of material, it would be classified as a firearm.

No Congress or Executive action required.

Major Neilson corrected me when I testified that it cost about $600 to make a P80 vs. $200 for a stolen handgun.  HPD spent about $800 making theirs.  I'll bet it had a spikes slide, apex trigger, etc... Cause you all know someone got to take it home after on our tax dollars.

I am prepared to shoot someone but its not the goal....it shouldn't be the goal to kill someone.  Finger off the trigger, identify target,  all these are to not kill someone.  Killing someone is the last resort.  All that legal trouble, property value lost, etc.  I want to defend myself and my family., thats my only goal.

That mindset will get you convicted in court in a self defense trial. It's clear that you don't understand or executed certain concepts. If you aren't prepared to shoot someone IOT stop the threat, don't ever draw your weapon.

I am prepared to shoot someone but its not the goal....it shouldn't be the goal to kill someone.  Finger off the trigger, identify target,  all these are to not kill someone.  Killing someone is the last resort.  All that legal trouble, property value lost, etc.  I want to defend myself and my family., thats my only goal.

uhhhhh....

Interesting,  tbh never thought of this scenario.  Haven't put too much thought into it.  I'm sure there are alot of scenarios but, my goal is not to shoot anyone.  In my mind if I shout who is it to identify its not a family member or friend, that's step 1.  Then I can visually identify or tell them I am armed in a defensive position.  I am not expecting trained assassins or seal team 6 to break into my house.  Most people friendly will respond to a  "hey whos there".  This works on the run of the mill robber, who should flee upon contact. Maybe I just have a plain flawed approach.  I am not an expert.  But I will take this knowledge and maybe figure out another system of identification.  I ordered a less bright light online.  Maybe I might remove the wall covered in mirrors.

What if when you ask who's there, the persons voice sounds like your household members?  Or what if the response is your household member, but their voice changes due to adrenaline or other factors like waking up in the middle of the night with dry throat?  So you end up using deadly force, thinking it's the bad guy?  And like Flap mentioned, what if they're under durest and the bad guy is telling them to respond.

The best and really only way to ID is visual.  Isn't 1 rule of firearms to know your target and what's behind it?

Asking "who's there" is really dangerous and should not be relied on.  Might as well also say "knock knock".

The wife and I do have code words to say.  For example, if someone is forcing her to open our door with the intent of doing harm, she says a word.  This alerts me that someone is making her open the door and drop what I'm doing and be ready. 

What if when you ask who's there, the persons voice sounds like your household members?  Or what if the response is your household member, but their voice changes due to adrenaline or other factors like waking up in the middle of the night with dry throat?  So you end up using deadly force, thinking it's the bad guy?  And like Flap mentioned, what if they're under durest and the bad guy is telling them to respond.

The best and really only way to ID is visual.  Isn't 1 rule of firearms to know your target and what's behind it?

Asking "who's there" is really dangerous and should not be relied on.  Might as well also say "knock knock".

The wife and I do have code words to say.  For example, if someone is forcing her to open our door with the intent of doing harm, she says a word.  This alerts me that someone is making her open the door and drop what I'm doing and be ready.

I've said step 1,  if they sound like family then I will lower the firearm or be less offensive and give them more instructions.  THEN I do visual.  Its a combination.  Rather than just visual.  Code words is actually a really good idea, might use that too. 

I've said step 1,  if they sound like family then I will lower the firearm or be less offensive and give them more instructions.  THEN I do visual.  Its a combination.  Rather than just visual.  Code words is actually a really good idea, might use that too.

given your understanding of things, I suggest you put away your guns and just call 911.
in my case, I would call 911 too because I am not comfortable drawing a firearm where I live

I've said step 1,  if they sound like family then I will lower the firearm or be less offensive and give them more instructions.  THEN I do visual.  Its a combination.  Rather than just visual.  Code words is actually a really good idea, might use that too.

Got it.

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What if when you ask who's there, the persons voice sounds like your household members?  Or what if the response is your household member, but their voice changes due to adrenaline or other factors like waking up in the middle of the night with dry throat?  So you end up using deadly force, thinking it's the bad guy?  And like Flap mentioned, what if they're under durest and the bad guy is telling them to respond.

The best and really only way to ID is visual.  Isn't 1 rule of firearms to know your target and what's behind it?

Asking "who's there" is really dangerous and should not be relied on.  Might as well also say "knock knock".

The wife and I do have code words to say.  For example, if someone is forcing her to open our door with the intent of doing harm, she says a word.  This alerts me that someone is making her open the door and drop what I'm doing and be ready.

The number one scenario that gets a family member shot is the "threat" doesn't respond out of fear, intoxication or is having a medical episode.  Too many times the husband was shot sneaking in at 3AM.  The terrified wife has the gun trained on the door, but in his condition, he doesn't hear her asking who's there -- or he's too drunk to register the question.   Heck, he might have answered her in a slurred response, but she missed it due to fear.

Fear is a crazy emotion.  It causes an adrenaline rush, heartbeat pounding in the ears affecting hearing and steadiness, tunnel vision, and reflexive actions that you didn't realize were happening until it's done.

This is why we train and practice.  Knowing what to expect and then recognizing it while it's happening helps you make sound judgements.

BTW, if you use the word "kill" at any time after a defensive shooting, you're digging a pretty deep hole for yourself.  While a firearm is considered lethal force capable of killing, it's not guaranteed to kill.  So, saying you would kill if forced to is bad.  You should say you feared for your life and that of your family, so you used your weapon to stop the threat.  if that resulted in death, that's incidental.  Saying something like, "It was kill or be killed," might play well on TV or movies, but you'll be painted as a killer, not a victim.

given your understanding of things, I suggest you put away your guns and just call 911.
in my case, I would call 911 too because I am not comfortable drawing a firearm where I live

No matter what, if you have the opportunity, dial 911 (with or without a gun in hand).

Leave the line open so the 911 system can record the events.  You don't have to be distracted answering the operator's incessant questioning "Who else is in the house?  Can you see the person?  What room are you in?  Where are they?  Can you go lock yourself in another room?  Are you on any medication?  Do you own any high capacity magazines?  Are you insured for the stuff we are going to let the intruder destroy and steal before we get there?"

Then if you have to use a gun, the fact that you loudly warned the intruder you're armed and will shoot them, and that you were being threatened when you fired is all part of the legal record.

I am prepared to shoot someone but its not the goal....it shouldn't be the goal to kill someone.  Finger off the trigger, identify target,  all these are to not kill someone.  Killing someone is the last resort.  All that legal trouble, property value lost, etc.  I want to defend myself and my family., thats my only goal.

Do you think you could actually pull the trigger knowing you are about to possibly take the life of another human being?  Never mind your freedom and property as it relates to incarceration and criminal charges -- this is a moral question.

Some people know they could never harm another person no matter the situation, especially if that might end that person's life.  I've seen many interviews where gun haters are so indignant about their beliefs, they would rather be killed than kill an attacker.

If you have ANY reservations about killing a person who you believe might kill, severely injure, rape or sodomize you or someone in the home, then you should NEVER think about drawing a gun.  Ever.  The "why not" should be obvious.  Legally, if you bring out a gun and don't fire, or you give a warning shot, you just violated the law.  You can't say you were in fear for your life or that of others if you weren't afraid enough to shoot the THREAT.

The number one scenario that gets a family member shot is the "threat" doesn't respond out of fear, intoxication or is having a medical episode.  Too many times the husband was shot sneaking in at 3AM.  The terrified wife has the gun trained on the door, but in his condition, he doesn't hear her asking who's there -- or he's too drunk to register the question.   Heck, he might have answered her in a slurred response, but she missed it due to fear.

Fear is a crazy emotion.  It causes an adrenaline rush, heartbeat pounding in the ears affecting hearing and steadiness, tunnel vision, and reflexive actions that you didn't realize were happening until it's done.

This is why we train and practice.  Knowing what to expect and then recognizing it while it's happening helps you make sound judgements.

BTW, if you use the word "kill" at any time after a defensive shooting, you're digging a pretty deep hole for yourself.  While a firearm is considered lethal force capable of killing, it's not guaranteed to kill.  So, saying you would kill if forced to is bad.  You should say you feared for your life and that of your family, so you used your weapon to stop the threat.  if that resulted in death, that's incidental.  Saying something like, "It was kill or be killed," might play well on TV or movies, but you'll be painted as a killer, not a victim.

That olympic runner had a simular issue b4 killing his gf thru a closed bathroom door. He had time to put both his legs on in the dark and grab his gun. Then shot thru the door multiple times.

And he didnt realize his gf was not laying in bed next to him.

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That olympic runner had a simular issue b4 killing his gf thru a closed bathroom door. He had time to put both his legs on in the dark and grab his gun. Then shot thru the door multiple times.

And he didnt realize his gf was not laying in bed next to him.

The Cops report  on how common it is for intruders to hide in bathrooms of occupied homes late at night to wait for someone to get up to go. 

On the plus side, the person who opens the bathroom door no longer has to go.   

After Team Biden had their interaction with BATFE they released information regarding another post-election change in the offing...

Democrats Propose Sending Republicans To 'Unity Camps'
November 11th, 2020



U.S.—Leading Democrats are pushing for unity in our nation, and they've found a new way to implement the unity in a mandatory way: "Unity Camps," special institutions designed to teach and train Republicans to unify.

"There's nothing that'll make Republicans want unity more than a nice, relaxing stay in one of our Unity Camps," said Joe Biden. "Heck, in my day, we'd have killed to go to camp. I remember one summer, I was sitting in the pool watching my leg hair change color in the water. All the kids liked to run their fingers through it. Anyway, we were supposed to go to Camp Waggakopo the next summer, but Dad needed me on the farm and told me I could go to the academy the following year."

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has suggested using forced labor at the camps, compelling Republicans to run on giant hamster wheels to generate enough energy to run the country under a Green New Deal.

Unless the SCOTUS tosses all the illegal votes and we can can keep
the Senate by stopping the mass migration of Soros employees to Georgia,
This will be our brave new world.
I'm an engineer so I plan things out. There are about seven things ( steps)
you need to do,  to correctly plan out a project, and then execute it successfully.
I always found the hardest step to be "Risk management".
I strongly encourage all on this site to make a Risk management plan
for your 2A rights if you haven't already.
You go to war with the forces you have.
Make no mistake, it may not be "Kinetic",
and we have been in a "soft" war for the last 52 years
(GCA 1968), but it is going to ratchet up soon.
Make your plans.