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Flapp_Jackson

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #60 on: July 30, 2025, 12:39:05 AM »
It doesn't take much to commit suicide. Make a noose out of some sort of cloth or paper (such as toilet paper) and hang yourself between the guards checks. If they checked every 15 minutes that would be ample time to successfully hang oneself.

Statistics show that only 33% of hanging suicides in prisons are fatal.  Those who survived to admission to the hospital had a relatively low rate of severe functional disability.

https://correctionalnurse.net/4-myths-about-hangings-in-jails-and-prisons/

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eyeeatingfish

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2025, 12:46:19 AM »
The more I look at this Epstein list debacle the more red flags I see in Donald Trump.

There is ample evidence they were close friends
There is the alleged note from Trump to Epstein about secrets being kept
The WSJ reported Trump's name was in the Epstein files many times (though no mention of any incriminating context)
Trump has a record of saying inappropriate sexual things to/about women
Trump has a record of saying he and Epstein likes them (women) young
There are multiple allegations of sexual misconduct by Trump
Trump admitted to going into dressing rooms at the Miss USA pageant and there are multiple reports of him doing so at the teen pageant as well.
Trump was once asked in an interview how young was too young for a partner for him and he named an incident where some other guy got caught with a 12 year old as an example of how young was too young...
Trump was in power when Epstein died/was murdered (whichever you believe). He was also in power during much of the investigation.
Alex Acosta was the prosecutor of the first Epstein case where Epstein got the sweetheart deal. He was later picked by Trump for Secretary of Labor.
When Maxwell was going to trial for her part in sex trafficking Trump wished her well.... who wishes that to someone being tried for sex trafficking of a minor?
Trump said he "never had the privilege of going to his island"... An odd thing to say about someone facing life in prison for sex trafficking minors.
Now Trump is in power, having campaigned on getting the files released only to turn around say that there is nothing in the files, and insult his own followers who wanted the files released.
Trump then tries to tell us the Epstein files were made up by Obama and Biden. So if Trump was in the files then Biden would have released it but now Biden made fake entries into the files and didn't release it? Counteracts his own claim.
Then he sends the second of command at the DOJ to interview Maxwell... Seems more like an attempt to distract angry supporters than a serious investigation.
When asked if he would consider pardoning Maxwell he left it open as a possibility.

Everyone loves to say if Trump was in the files in an incriminating manner the left would have released the documents. I have to admit this argument holds some weight if you don't have faith that the agents in charge would protect the documents properly. But if we are going to believe that Democrats would go to that level then we must also concede that Trump, when he was in power, could have ordered the incriminating evidence destroyed before Biden ever came to power.

There is no smoking gun for a criminal charge that I have seen yet but there are too many red flags here to ignore. I think this Epstein file fiasco might be the thing that takes down Trump. Even murderers and robbers in prison don't stand for pedophiles, I think he might loose too many supporters on this one.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2025, 02:44:54 AM »
The more I look at this Epstein list debacle the more red flags I see in Donald Trump.

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There is no smoking gun for a criminal charge that I have seen yet but there are too many red flags here to ignore. I think this Epstein file fiasco might be the thing that takes down Trump. Even murderers and robbers in prison don't stand for pedophiles, I think he might loose too many supporters on this one.

For someone eager to believe Trump participated in Epstein's human/minor trafficking crimes based on 'red flags", you don't seem to give a rat's ass about all the red flags surrounding Epstein's alleged suicide.
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Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2025, 10:29:12 AM »

 … Everyone loves to say if Trump was in the files in an incriminating manner the left would have released the documents. I have to admit this argument holds some weight if you don't have faith that the agents in charge would protect the documents properly. But if we are going to believe that Democrats would go to that level then we must also concede that Trump, when he was in power, could have ordered the incriminating evidence destroyed before Biden ever came to power.

There is no smoking gun for a criminal charge that I have seen yet but there are too many red flags here to ignore. I think this Epstein file fiasco might be the thing that takes down Trump. Even murderers and robbers in prison don't stand for pedophiles, I think he might loose too many supporters on this one.
After years of every demonic officeholder & their attack dog prosecutors feverishly inventing preposterous false charges against Trump to bring before zombie juries al la Soviet show trials on steroids, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OBVIOUSLY SUCH, AND FAILING, what you are saying here, well, is just your anger that it all failed spectacularly.

By the way, this is how you guys actually got him elected - that’s gotta hurt!

MEANWHILE, there is no crime for which any Biden, Clinton, Obama, or Fauci, or Comey, or Mayorkas, etal., will ever even be investigated for, as they are senior members of your folks Coven.

Truly, Americans are fucking sick to death of this cancer on our country.  Trump 2.0 is chemo (to a certain extent), but make no mistake this is going to radical surgery if necessary to save our country.

P.S. Just to close the loop - yes they felt had to do something symbolic with Hunter, so they got him for the equivalent of parking tickets relative to his actual criminality - then gave him the autopen pardon for everything …. and he’s free as a jay bird, doing hookers and blow, and giving interviews.  You’d be being buggered 24/7 in prison for the rest of your life if your name wasn’t Hunter Biden.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #64 on: July 31, 2025, 10:59:53 PM »
For someone eager to believe Trump participated in Epstein's human/minor trafficking crimes based on 'red flags", you don't seem to give a rat's ass about all the red flags surrounding Epstein's alleged suicide.

I am certainly not eager to believe that we elected a pedophile to office, only pointing out there are enough red flags that I wouldn't trust Trump around any women I know. His behavior on the subject of Epstein as a whole is more suspicious than it is exonerating. As you'll note I clearly indicated there wasn't enough to charge him with a crime so I am not even saying he should be locked up.

It is rather odd that the right is (correctly) upset when men can identify as women and be allowed into women's changing rooms yet when Trump bragged about going into women's changing rooms he gets a pass.

I do think it possible that someone killed Epstein but there isn't a lot of evidence to support it. Sure, maybe Trump sent in the Navy Seals or the CIA, murdered him, made it look like a suicide and edited the tape, it is possible. But it is not only very plausible that he killed himself, it also fits with Ockam's razor. Epstein knew his gig was up, decided to end it, and crappy prison guards didn't make checks or didn't care and let him do it. The murder is more juicy a story of course and fits big conspiracy theories but in my assessment is the less likely explanation. 

eyeeatingfish

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #65 on: July 31, 2025, 11:10:59 PM »
After years of every demonic officeholder & their attack dog prosecutors feverishly inventing preposterous false charges against Trump to bring before zombie juries al la Soviet show trials on steroids, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OBVIOUSLY SUCH, AND FAILING, what you are saying here, well, is just your anger that it all failed spectacularly.

By the way, this is how you guys actually got him elected - that’s gotta hurt!

MEANWHILE, there is no crime for which any Biden, Clinton, Obama, or Fauci, or Comey, or Mayorkas, etal., will ever even be investigated for, as they are senior members of your folks Coven.

Truly, Americans are fucking sick to death of this cancer on our country.  Trump 2.0 is chemo (to a certain extent), but make no mistake this is going to radical surgery if necessary to save our country.

P.S. Just to close the loop - yes they felt had to do something symbolic with Hunter, so they got him for the equivalent of parking tickets relative to his actual criminality - then gave him the autopen pardon for everything …. and he’s free as a jay bird, doing hookers and blow, and giving interviews.  You’d be being buggered 24/7 in prison for the rest of your life if your name wasn’t Hunter Biden.

You keep saying "you" in a way that makes it seem you think I am a lefty. You are very mistaken if you believe that.

On you description of Trump as chemotherapy, that might be oddly fitting. Chemotherapy kills about 25% of cancer patients.
https://pharmatimes.com/news/chemotherapy_causes_death_in_more_than_25_of_cancer_patients_986391/

ren

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2025, 07:28:17 AM »
I am certainly not eager to believe that we elected a pedophile to office, only pointing out there are enough red flags that I wouldn't trust Trump around any women I know. His behavior on the subject of Epstein as a whole is more suspicious than it is exonerating. As you'll note I clearly indicated there wasn't enough to charge him with a crime so I am not even saying he should be locked up.

It is rather odd that the right is (correctly) upset when men can identify as women and be allowed into women's changing rooms yet when Trump bragged about going into women's changing rooms he gets a pass.

I do think it possible that someone killed Epstein but there isn't a lot of evidence to support it. Sure, maybe Trump sent in the Navy Seals or the CIA, murdered him, made it look like a suicide and edited the tape, it is possible. But it is not only very plausible that he killed himself, it also fits with Ockam's razor. Epstein knew his gig was up, decided to end it, and crappy prison guards didn't make checks or didn't care and let him do it. The murder is more juicy a story of course and fits big conspiracy theories but in my assessment is the less likely explanation.

wow did not know CIA and/or Navy SEALs can do executions on US soil. tell us more :thumbsup:
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macsak

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2025, 07:43:00 AM »
never heard of "Ockam's razor"...

I am certainly not eager to believe that we elected a pedophile to office, only pointing out there are enough red flags that I wouldn't trust Trump around any women I know. His behavior on the subject of Epstein as a whole is more suspicious than it is exonerating. As you'll note I clearly indicated there wasn't enough to charge him with a crime so I am not even saying he should be locked up.

It is rather odd that the right is (correctly) upset when men can identify as women and be allowed into women's changing rooms yet when Trump bragged about going into women's changing rooms he gets a pass.

I do think it possible that someone killed Epstein but there isn't a lot of evidence to support it. Sure, maybe Trump sent in the Navy Seals or the CIA, murdered him, made it look like a suicide and edited the tape, it is possible. But it is not only very plausible that he killed himself, it also fits with Ockam's razor. Epstein knew his gig was up, decided to end it, and crappy prison guards didn't make checks or didn't care and let him do it. The murder is more juicy a story of course and fits big conspiracy theories but in my assessment is the less likely explanation.

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Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2025, 08:08:23 AM »
You keep saying "you" in a way that makes it seem you think I am a lefty. You are very mistaken if you believe that.
Do you, or do you not believe what you write?

Yes => Meatpuppet, will continue to use "you"

No => Pointless waste of time


I would add that, broadly speaking, most of us here look at these issues as a fight between good and evil in our world, never "our guy versus their guy" - that's idiotic.  All men are fallen in some way or another - people seeking office perhaps most of all.  We would hate a Biden for what he IS and DOES vis a vis what's right or wrong relative to our mores and laws, which ultimately are derived from our understanding of good and evil, i.e. from our awareness of God in our lives (however that may be).

Maybe someone here is a "Trump - right or wrong" type of person, but they are a minute minority.

Yet we observe perfect silence and acceptance of absolutely ANYTHING, NO MATTER HOW HEINOUS, on the part of actors on the "left" etc.  Happy as fucking clams!

So we are indeed extremely different types of people, fundamentally.

We just recognize that difference clearly in your writing here, that's all.
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changemyoil66

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2025, 08:53:38 AM »
wow did not know CIA and/or Navy SEALs can do executions on US soil. tell us more :thumbsup:

They don't do this. It's the job of SFDDS.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2025, 10:07:41 AM »
Do you, or do you not believe what you write?

Yes => Meatpuppet, will continue to use "you"

No => Pointless waste of time


I would add that, broadly speaking, most of us here look at these issues as a fight between good and evil in our world, never "our guy versus their guy" - that's idiotic.  All men are fallen in some way or another - people seeking office perhaps most of all.  We would hate a Biden for what he IS and DOES vis a vis what's right or wrong relative to our mores and laws, which ultimately are derived from our understanding of good and evil, i.e. from our awareness of God in our lives (however that may be).

Maybe someone here is a "Trump - right or wrong" type of person, but they are a minute minority.

Yet we observe perfect silence and acceptance of absolutely ANYTHING, NO MATTER HOW HEINOUS, on the part of actors on the "left" etc.  Happy as fucking clams!

So we are indeed extremely different types of people, fundamentally.

We just recognize that difference clearly in your writing here, that's all.


Careful.  He'll pull you into a month-long debate over what Right, Left and other ideological labels mean, used to mean, ought to mean, means to him, etc.

He's stated many, many times that he's mostly conservative in his views, but his opinions on many of the issues frequently seat him clearly in the other aisle.

I was told you shouldn't have to tell people where you stand politically.  Others can tell by your word and deed.
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Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2025, 11:09:53 AM »
Careful.  He'll pull you into a month-long debate over what Right, Left and other ideological labels mean, used to mean, ought to mean, means to him, etc.

He's stated many, many times that he's mostly conservative in his views, but his opinions on many of the issues frequently seat him clearly in the other aisle.

I was told you shouldn't have to tell people where you stand politically.  Others can tell by your word and deed.
Yep.

Just cutting to the chase here.

I'll get my answer, one way or another!
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eyeeatingfish

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2025, 11:05:31 PM »
Do you, or do you not believe what you write?

Yes => Meatpuppet, will continue to use "you"

No => Pointless waste of time


I would add that, broadly speaking, most of us here look at these issues as a fight between good and evil in our world, never "our guy versus their guy" - that's idiotic.  All men are fallen in some way or another - people seeking office perhaps most of all.  We would hate a Biden for what he IS and DOES vis a vis what's right or wrong relative to our mores and laws, which ultimately are derived from our understanding of good and evil, i.e. from our awareness of God in our lives (however that may be).

Maybe someone here is a "Trump - right or wrong" type of person, but they are a minute minority.

Yet we observe perfect silence and acceptance of absolutely ANYTHING, NO MATTER HOW HEINOUS, on the part of actors on the "left" etc.  Happy as fucking clams!

So we are indeed extremely different types of people, fundamentally.

We just recognize that difference clearly in your writing here, that's all.




Why would I write something I don't believe? By nature I am not dishonest.

If your definition of lefty hinges on loyalty to Trump then your definition of left is meaningless in actually determining where someone sits on the political spectrum. If you surveyed me I would land center to right on most issues. Trump shares quite a lot of positions with the left BTW so maybe MAGA people are lefty now? Just saying.

Looking at politicians, in the lens of good and evil is, in my opinion, too limiting. For starters there is the problem of false dichotomy, not everything is either good or evil and a good person can sometimes do an evil thing. People don't consciously say to themselves "He is on our side so I support him no matter what he says" rather this happens subconsciously through tribal pressure and cognitive dissonance. If your tribe, your team, all points to the color orange and says it is red, humans, generally speaking, will repeat a lie and even convince themselves it is the truth rather than suffer the consequences of going against the tribe. There is also a cult of personality dynamic at work when it comes to Trump.

Proof that this is happening with Trump is in how Trump has taken multiple actions which contradict conservative values and traditional conservatives convince themselves there is no conflict. For example, tariffs and protectionism are liberal ideas but Trump comes in with his tariff ideas and his supporters flip flop their ideals to support him. Conservatism seeks smaller, less powerful government but Trump does the opposite and MAGA does gymnastics to find ways to justify their support of Trump.

While good and evil certainly exists, influential leaders like to use moral judgements to push us into line. If a politician says policy X is not beneficial to Americans that just doesn't have the same affect on a group as if he says policy X is evil. When the politician of your side says policy X is evil you lean away from that policy because you don't want the tribe to see you as agreeing with evil .

Then there is the fact that it isn't hard to make the case that Trump has done evil things, like going into the changing room of teenage girls and women. If Biden had admitted to that the right would be attacking him as evil mercilessly for it, yet Trump admits to it and the right lets it slide. Clearly it is not the evilness of the act, rather it is whether the guy who committed the act is on your team or not.

You don't often see me commenting about how bad the left is because it seems rather pointless, I would be just repeating what a dozen other members already post. Do you see a point in preaching to the choir? Unless such post isn't actually about stating a belief but rather signaling to the tribe.... Would it make you feel/think differently of me if I threw in some obligatory "Biden is evil because ....." post?
Don't assume my position on an issue just because I don't post about that issue, if you want to know where I stand on it just ask. I could list many many flaws of Biden.  Also don't fall prey to a false dichotomy thinking that because I am critical of Trump I am therefore supportive of Biden. They are both terrible presidents in my opinion.

eyeeatingfish

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2025, 11:06:08 PM »
wow did not know CIA and/or Navy SEALs can do executions on US soil. tell us more :thumbsup:

Would you trust the FBI HRT to do it better?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: FBI withheld ‘thousands of pages’ of Jeffrey Epstein docs
« Reply #74 on: August 01, 2025, 11:32:13 PM »
Would you trust the FBI HRT to do it better?

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