Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 298610 times)

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Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1880 on: June 03, 2025, 04:30:43 PM »
Thanks dude! Used to shoot some clays back in college - really liked it a lot!

I believe there’s trap and skeet at Koko Head, but it’s really the case that I’m ignorant of training options for shotgunners around here.  Definitely need to fix that.

You can do what you can at open shoots the HRA or other org's have.  When I participate in these, I don't just throw lead down range.  I have a plan what I want to do that day.

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Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1881 on: June 04, 2025, 01:34:15 PM »
Skeet Trap is good training for it.  Machine gunners used to train that way to lead targets.

Skeet shoots clays that come towards you at an angle

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Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1882 on: June 04, 2025, 02:02:08 PM »
Skeet Trap is good training for it.  Machine gunners used to train that way to lead targets.

Skeet shoots clays that come towards you at an angle

Ah - you know your history!

In the 8th Air Force during WWII, machine gunners on the B-17’s were specifically trained using trap and skeet techniques, most importantly the critical skill of leading the target, as you so correctly note.

You can imagine - when everything around you is moving hundreds of miles per hour, all points of aim must be where the target isn’t (yet).

It was not initially so, but came about after carefully analyzing (via the fledgling field of Operations Research) their high initial failure rate.

The history of the 8th Air Force and the role it played in defeating Germany is super interesting.

Oddly, when you look at videos of soldiers in the current conflict being attacked by drones, it’s very analogous to a B-17 being set upon by Messerschmitt’s:  Same type of problem requiring the same defensive techniques - but not with rifles - need semiautomatic shotguns.
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Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1883 on: August 30, 2025, 10:45:02 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-scrambles-fighter-jets-after-russian-attacks/ar-AA1Lx01X?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3b62592628224116a88fed45614f9762&ei=47

Sanctions, what sanctions?  Looks like Russia is just prancing along, singing hoop dee doo and laa dee daa......
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« Reply #1884 on: August 30, 2025, 11:16:53 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-scrambles-fighter-jets-after-russian-attacks/ar-AA1Lx01X?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3b62592628224116a88fed45614f9762&ei=47

Sanctions, what sanctions?  Looks like Russia is just prancing along, singing hoop dee doo and laa dee daa......
Yes, they are playing us like bongos - and I’m someone who believes there is no doubt that globalists (Marxists + Bidens) in NATO are responsible for inciting hostilities, probably to try to rein-in Russia’s competitive position in the world versus their own.

It seems that Trump should have demanded peace talks while sharply escalating the military pressure on the Russians in the meantime.  It’s looking like Putin viewed the initial approach as a weakness to exploit while gaining territory - all the while making reasonable and cooperative noises …

It’s more screwed now.
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