Cannabis Carry (Read 1375 times)

hvybarrels

Cannabis Carry
« on: December 19, 2025, 01:44:56 PM »
Trump just reclassified thc products from schedule one to schedule three. What are the implications for gun owners?

I’m guessing it’s a little too soon to celebrate by twisting one up at koko head.

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QUIETShooter

Re: Cannabis Carry
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2025, 02:27:40 PM »
Trump just reclassified thc products from schedule one to schedule three. What are the implications for gun owners?

I’m guessing it’s a little too soon to celebrate by twisting one up at koko head.



I don't know much about this stuff but I've seen guys stoned on it.  Not sure if that's a good thing at KokoHead.

Or while driving a car.  My brother was a pothead.  He was driving over 100 mph and swore to the officer he thought he was going 45. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: Cannabis Carry
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2025, 04:25:15 PM »
Apparently a large percentage of injured veterans use it for medical purposes. Lots of cancer patients as well.

Specifically I’m wondering about scenarios like someone in a defensive shooting where the cops find THC in their blood, which lasts up to 30 days even though they might not be impaired at the time.

Or getting DQed for a permit to acquire because they have a prescription or a previous case of possession on their record.
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macsak

Re: Cannabis Carry
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2025, 04:56:56 PM »
waiting to see how long it takes before a patient asks me for a prescription
#notarealdoctor

QUIETShooter

Re: Cannabis Carry
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2025, 08:22:59 PM »
How do doctors know if the patient can be legitimately helped by cannabis vs. a patient that claims he has chronic back pain and that he needs the cannabis to deal with the pain.

I'm asking because my wife's sister's husband goes to the dispensary to buy this stuff because he claims he has a bad back.

I told him since when.  He never complained about his back before.

Only thing I know for sure is that before this stuff was medically available this guy was a f*ckn pothead and in my opinion he still is.

My older brother was a pothead also and in my opinion that stuff killed 3/4 of his fricken brain cells.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: Cannabis Carry
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2025, 10:44:36 PM »
How do doctors know if the patient can be legitimately helped by cannabis vs. a patient that claims he has chronic back pain and that he needs the cannabis to deal with the pain.

I'm asking because my wife's sister's husband goes to the dispensary to buy this stuff because he claims he has a bad back.

I told him since when.  He never complained about his back before.

Only thing I know for sure is that before this stuff was medically available this guy was a f*ckn pothead and in my opinion he still is.

My older brother was a pothead also and in my opinion that stuff killed 3/4 of his fricken brain cells.

I suppose it's the same with all prescriptions where the doctor has to figure it out, but without the additional risk of them OD'ing on opiates. 
Personally I would rather someone cook their braincells on pot and still be able to hold down a mediocre job than turn into a full-on batu zombie.
What we know for certain is that besides the recreational market there are extensive medical benefits and probably more will be revealed soon now that extensive testing has been permitted.
I would hate to see a cancer patient be forced to choose between quality of life that Rick Simpson Oil provides vs being able to defend themselves from a home invasion.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Cannabis Carry
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2025, 09:58:31 AM »
I suppose it's the same with all prescriptions where the doctor has to figure it out, but without the additional risk of them OD'ing on opiates. 
Personally I would rather someone cook their braincells on pot and still be able to hold down a mediocre job than turn into a full-on batu zombie.
What we know for certain is that besides the recreational market there are extensive medical benefits and probably more will be revealed soon now that extensive testing has been permitted.
I would hate to see a cancer patient be forced to choose between quality of life that Rick Simpson Oil provides vs being able to defend themselves from a home invasion.

You're describing the exact scenario that state and local governments used when passing MEDICAL marijuana laws, as opposed to the more recent recreational laws.

IF someone has a diagnosed chronic ailment, and IF the use of cannabis can be documented as having a measurable impact on quality of life as it relates to their condition, then medical cards get issued.  What the card doesn't specify is whether the patient is a responsible person who makes efforts to avoid driving, operating heavy machinery, firearms, or any other high risk activity while "medicating."

The issue is no different than using alcohol.  Use impairs good judgement, meaning sober, you might never do what you would when high.

Just like narcotic prescriptions, you can't guarantee the patient won't pop their necessary pain relievers and then go for a drive past a few elementary schools. 

I don't see any of these debates as being different from one another.  By recognizing the societal problems that come from alcohol, we passed Prohibition.  Later, we saw crime increase as people refused to abide by prohibition, so it was repealed. 

You can't legislate morality, and what we are debating are moral issues.  Should we have the right as a government to prohibit one intoxicant over another?  If alcohol is legal -- one of the biggest factors in murders, rapes, assaults, divorces, on the job problems, and so on -- then why isn't pot or any other intoxicant legal?  It's a bit contradictory.

Either we try to control the recreational use of all intoxicants, or we have to allow at least the most benign if them to be legal.  Cherry picking alcohol and now pot -- but only in narrow circumstances -- just shows that the same arguments that apply to illegal drugs today also applied to alcohol under the 18th amendment from 1920-1933.

Vice crimes -- drugs, prostitution, gambling, etc. -- are all one big pot (pun intended) of morality questions.  Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one?  Or is there a responsible and enforceable way to allow exceptions for the minority while still restricting access for all others?  The War on Drugs suggests prohibition against any form of intoxicant is a losing battle.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Cannabis Carry
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2025, 06:58:26 AM »
I think my eye tooth has glaucoma.  ;)

waiting to see how long it takes before a patient asks me for a prescription
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macsak

Re: Cannabis Carry
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2025, 07:14:11 AM »
heads

I think my eye tooth has glaucoma.  ;)

hvybarrels

Re: Cannabis Carry
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2025, 03:55:06 PM »
Medical is quite different from recreational use. Once the desired blood level is achieved a tolerance is quickly established where the person can be completely functional. It’s not like a single massive dose with the intention of stupefaction and couch lock.

The original plan to ban hemp actually came from WR Hearst and the paper industry who were fighting to protect their monopolies. Now resistance comes from alcohol and pharma, as well as law enforcement who regularly use “I smell weed” as a top excuse for asset forfeiture (aka legal piracy)

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