The lawsuit stated all data was inputted by the defendant who also owned the machine. He has no FFL. All the buyer did was push the start button.

So at what point is he making a lower or the buyer making their own lower. Until start button is activated, its nothing more than data and a blank rectangle piece of metal. None of which is a firearm.

So this brings us back to the auto keycard drawing. Is an image of parts combined a machine gun? The AFT thinks so. People know this is a slippery slope.

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Does a yakiniku restaurant not need a license just because you cook the meat yourself?

I just find it an interesting idea with no clear line. Who is making the gun, the person who set everything up? The machine? The person who pressed the start button?

Does a yakiniku restaurant not need a license just because you cook the meat yourself?

I just find it an interesting idea with no clear line. Who is making the gun, the person who set everything up? The machine? The person who pressed the start button?

A license from who? The govement? More government intervention please. Sarcasm, all sarcasm and being a smartass on my part.

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Does a yakiniku restaurant not need a license just because you cook the meat yourself?

I just find it an interesting idea with no clear line. Who is making the gun, the person who set everything up? The machine? The person who pressed the start button?

Lawyers and politicians will give a spectrum of answers to that.

In reality, which is what should matter, if 99% of the effort went into pre-production so that the final step of production could be made correctly, the person doing the final step is the one who made it.

If I give you a software program that can crack a site's user password list, and you run it on a selected site, am I the one in trouble?  Only if I knew you'd use it illegally am I in anyway accountable.  Since there are legitimate uses for these types of utilities, you can't say the only reason for the password cracker was for illegal purposes.

Same for the lowers.  As long as I do everything legally to set you up to make s usable lower, and you do the last step that turns an 80% into a 100% workable lower, I did nothing wrong.  If you then use that lower to break the law (Ghost gun, robbery, mass shooting, ...), and I had no inclination that was your intention, I'm no more at fault than a store selling rat poison that someone uses to kill their spouse.

At some point, common sense gun control needs to actually start using common sense.  The plans to 3-D print a gun are available.  If someone downloads and uses the product illegally, is that the CAD designer's responsibility?  What about the 3-D printer manufacturer?  Or the raw materials used on the printer to form the gun?  How far back can we "catch" someone about to something wrong?

Maybe we should apply this same logic to public welfare.  Billions of dollars are stolen through fraud using the various government assistance programs:  Medicaid, Medicare, Food Stamps, Stimulus Loans and handouts, etc.  Should we put the people in charge of these programs in jail for the fraudulent losses these programs experience?  Are they liable for the actions of others, just because these people made the funds available and they were misappropriated?

Same thing in my opinion.  Either we are all guilty of what others do when we are enabling them, or we are not.  Unless I know the ONLY REASON people are using my resources is to break the law, I can't be held criminally responsible.

Negligence is another aspect of this, but that gets into whether complying with the letter of the law is sufficient to prevent bad acts by someone using your product or services.

Matt was found guilty on 5 of 8 charges.

Intent to distribute a machine gun. Even though he never sold the card to or gave it to anyone.

The best part is that the prosecutor felt threatened by Matt, so hes gonna be held until his arraingment hearing at end of july.

More weaponizing of the AFT/DOJ. Theyre making an example of him, yet absent in the hood.

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Matt was found guilty on 5 of 8 charges.

Intent to distribute a machine gun. Even though he never sold the card to or gave it to anyone.

The best part is that the prosecutor felt threatened by Matt, so hes gonna be held until his arraingment hearing at end of july.

More weaponizing of the AFT/DOJ. Theyre making an example of him, yet absent in the hood.

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When you make it easier to be a criminal than a legit businessman, guess what happens?

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Does anyone else get the impression Mark Smith is yelling at you?

He has great content most of the time, but his voice grates on my nerves.   

Does anyone else get the impression Mark Smith is yelling at you?

He has great content most of the time, but his voice grates on my nerves.   

I wondered the same. Is that how he talks or is he just excited on YT.

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In case no one wants to watch a 30 min vid.

This is based on what the court has released and not on the transcriots for the YT vid and by my memory.

1) The state is asking the jury to disregard if the part actually works, but instead base their ruling on "intent". So if someone gets a McDonalds cup with the same picture on it and claims it will make a machine gun, this is all that's needed to prosecute.  Even though there is no way this will work.  The suspicion is that the AFT could not provide any witness who successfully used the product as a machine gun.  Yet the "Anarchist Cook Book" is for sale on Amazon and protected under the 1st amendment. This book tells you how to make bad stuff.

2) With the witnesses above, the AFT probably offered them a sweet deal and all they had to do we testify against the key card maker.  none however got it to actually work

3) They're trying both CRS and the guy who actually sold, made the key cards together. This is highly unusually for a case like this. This makes the states case stronger.

4) They're getting the bank involved with the fact that CRS took out over $10K in cash at multiple locations and convicted him of "structuring". There is nothing illegal about taking out $10K in cash. What happened was for what ever reason, CRS and the bank teller got into an argument. So the teller googled CRS and then reported it to the AFT.  I was in banking for years and its common for branches to only allow X amount to be taken out in cash due to not having enough. I'm going to assume this is what the argument was about. "this is my money, why can't I take out $50K in cash?".

The above is based on the 800 pages of court docs that was submitted. The transcripts has yet to be released.

Seems similar to drug users who got caught buying fake weed and powders from undercover cops.  Didn't matter that the drugs were fake.  Only mattered that the fakes were advertised as real, and that the buyer intended to purchase real, illegal drugs.

Intent was all that was needed.  The same would be true if the buyer was shopping for a bomb maker.  Doesn't matter if the bomb didn't go boom if the suspect placed it where it would cause property damage, injury and/or death and then tried to detonate it, then his intentions are clear.

I'm not following all the details, but I wonder over what time period did he withdraw the $10K amounts? 

The amounts are important, because above that, the bank must report large cash deposits and withdrawals.  He was demonstrating a possible intention of avoiding setting off any red flags by using multiple banks.  Because the money launderers know of these bank rules, many banks started reporting smaller amounts than specified in the rules just in case.  So, he might have been trying to dodge the flags but failing, if his bank was one that had a lower threshold. 

I guess he's never heard of crypto?     He could have parked the money in a crypto account.  if need be, he could replace the money into his business account for expenses later.  There are no crypto tellers to argue with.   

Matt has been released.  He served 3 years of 5 years after a corrupt DOJ/judge/prosecution went after him.

Let this be a lesson to everyone, if the government wants to prosecute and convict you, they can.  Look at all the corrupt judges ruling in favors for illegals as another example.

His youtube has been demonitized and he thinks it won't ever be monitized.  He and his wife are still together.

I was hoping Trump would pardon him.

Update:
More corruption that I didn't know:

The owner of the key card went to his bank to cash a check payable to his company through his personal account. Bank said they cannot do this.  This is common. He wanted to then close his account, but the bank didn't have enough cash on hand and could only give him $4500. So he took that and went to another branch to take out what they had, which was $5K.  No branch had the $50K he needed. The bank testified about this. Yet he was charged with "structuring" to avoid the "currency transaction report" when one takes out over $10K in cash. This report gets sent to the IRS.

The teller has a bf or someone she knows at the AFT and cause he was giving the bank a hard time, this is what started the investigation into the key card owner, which lead to Hoover.

Hoover  couildn't site the 2a or the 1a in court.

The AFT had to use certain ammo that would ignite very lightly, as in even a bolt coming forward could set it off.

The gov also skipped the step to detemine whether the card is a machine gun or not, isntead they went straight to trial if Hoover broke the law or not. The jury isn't allowed to detemine if the card is a machine gun or not, they were there just to determine if he sold machine guns that the AFT determined is one.

So again, if the gov wants to go after you and convict you, they can.

Hoover was offered a deal to snitch on the key card owner and only serve 1 yr in prison. He didn't, so he got 3 yrs.