Emotionless, agenda-less, non-biased, analysis of crime statistics provided by the FBI from 1960 - 2009 (minus 2005's Honolulu...?). This one has NO dramatic language designed to pull people's emotions whatsoever. Just states what it is.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/hicrime.htm

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In the year 2000 Hawaii had an estimated population of 1,211,537 which ranked the state as having the 42nd in population. For that year the State of Hawaii had a total Crime Index of 5,198.9 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 6th highest total Crime Index. For Violent Crime Hawaii had a reported incident rate of 243.8 per 100,000 people. This ranked the state as having the 43rd highest occurrence for Violent Crime among the states. For crimes against Property, the state had a reported incident rate of 4,955.1 per 100,000 people, which ranked as the state 2nd highest. Also in the year 2000 Hawaii had 2.9 Murders per 100,000 people, ranking the state as having the 36th highest rate for Murder. Hawaii’s 28.6 reported Forced Rapes per 100,000 people, ranked the state 33rd highest. For Robbery, per 100,000 people, Hawaii’s rate was 92.7 which ranked the state as having the 26th highest for Robbery. The state also had 119.7 Aggravated Assaults for every 100,000 people, which indexed the state as having the 45th highest position for this crime among the states. For every 100,000 people there were 880.3 Burglaries, which ranks Hawaii as having the 13th highest standing among the states. Larceny - Theft were reported 3,570.2 times per hundred thousand people in Hawaii which standing is the 1st highest among the states. Vehicle Theft occurred 504.6 times per 100,000 people, which fixed the state as having the 8th highest for vehicle theft among the states.

Firearm death rates in the United States vary by state. The five states with the highest firearm
death rates are Louisiana, Alaska, Nevada, Mississippi and Alabama. The states with the lowest
rates include Hawaii, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut and New York. For most states,
firearm suicide rates exceed those of firearm homicide. Rates have been age adjusted to the year
2000 population. This allows comparisons that are not affected by differing population age
distributions between states

Dregs u do make good points.  There is crime in Hawaii no doubt.  Property crime is very bad.  You can blame that on the ice heads and the high cost of living.  Hawaii is by far the safest state when it comes to firearms.  It is like that for a reason.

Nothing like ALOHA spirit!! Right on!!

As Alex previously mentioned, stuyding your opposition is a sound strategy. I've read your copy/paste before. As previously mentioned to you from others in other threads, VPC already has a tarnished reputation for twisting numbers and words to look nice for their agenda. They've been caught repeatedly.
 
VPC/Brady Campaign has a reputation of twisting stats. It is a special interest group. Look at unbiased raw numbers as I've presented in the OP. In 2001, a survey was taken by BRFSS estimating firearm ownership.  Washington DC had lowest gunownership at 3.8%. Washington DC murders per 100,000 in 2001? 40.3. Wyoming had #1 in highest gun ownership at a whopping 59%. Wyoming murders per 100,00 in 2001? 1.8. These are the raw unbiased numbers. Like I said...VPC has been repeatedly caught. *edit 12/30* Their study was based on all the 50 states PLUS Washington DC (51), which they conveniently left out of their ranking list. The truth would have gone against their agenda so they tailored their list. You need but only peel a layer off the surface by doing your own research and you can see how weak their stance is. Don't take my word for it, do your own research. */edit*
 
tl;dr - This isn't about only gun ownership; it's also about safety over all. You can single out any object or thing and demonize it if you tried just as hard. Cars. Age. Race. Knives. etc.
 
I highly recommend reading things to catch up to where the rest of us are at. At the very least, in regards to VPC.
 
*snip!* from campuscarry.com. *edit 12/30* I highly suggest you click it and read the rest. */edit*
 
There are two main problems with focusing on “gun deaths.”  The first is that the total number includes both lawful interventions (self-defense shootings and shootings by police) and, more significantly, suicides.  According to the Center for Disease Control, 56.2% of U.S. firearm-related deaths in 2007 were suicides.  Should the focus of the gun control debate be on protecting the people who want to die or on defending the people who want to live?  I tend to lean toward the latter.
The second problem is that the focus on “gun deaths” doesn’t reflect the overall safety of the populace.  Is someone who is killed with a gun any deader than someone who is killed with a knife or a baseball bat or any other weapon?  In order to fairly assess whether or not living in a state with high gun ownership places a person at greater risk of meeting a violent end, we must compare not just the number of “gun deaths” but the number of homicides as a whole.
 

*edit 12/30*
 
Sticking to the topic, when you clean off the jalousie windows and sweep aside the curtain, Hawaii is NOT the safest state in the US.
 
 

Good research Dregs!  Nice to see how "safe" we are here because of all the strict gun laws, eh? 

I think you guys missed the stuff I posted already from 2010 and how we rank across the nation.  I can go dig it back it up =p.

One thing to take note of, Asian culture is generally really against suicide. Many people are brought up for it to be a total disgrace and thus it doesn't happen *as* often as other areas of the country, and Caucasian males make up a large portion of those suicides. So looking at it from your "we don't want you mainlanders here" attitude, I would think you would want this here, as it gets rid of those you so proudly say you want out.

An increase of permits is not going to cause a dramatic change here on the islands; there is only a small percentage of the population that will even carry them. Efforts are better spent fighting other venues where people (vehicle crashes, pedestrian accidents etc.). Those venues also wont run the state a nice expensive bill.

Defend Hawaii,

If you're focusing on gun deaths don't you know that deaths involving vehicle  are a lot higher, so is drowning and skydiving.  How many pedestrians have been hit and run in Hawaii?  I don't see any legislation banning cars.  Or people driving drunk and killing somebody, did they ban alcohol? Deaths involving baseball bats and knives, did they ban them?  My point is you can't blame it on inanimate object.  You can ban all kinds of stuff you want, but unless the heart of man doesn't change people will still kill people and that's been happening since Cain murdered Abel and he didn't even use a gun.

You're right that they are ccw holders who committed crime, that's why it's very important to know how to deescalate.   They are cops and service members  that are dirty too, but that doesn't mean they are all bad. They're always going to be a bad apple, no matter what.  And what is this attitude about mainlanders and local people?  For me, there's only good and bad.  'Cause wherever you go there's only two kinds of people, good and bad.  Look at England and Australia, self defense is non-existent.  You claim that you support 2A rights, do you really? 

I think you guys missed the stuff I posted already from 2010 and how we rank across the nation.  I can go dig it back it up =p.

One thing to take note of, Asian culture is generally really against suicide. Many people are brought up for it to be a total disgrace and thus it doesn't happen *as* often as other areas of the country, and Caucasian males make up a large portion of those suicides. So looking at it from your "we don't want you mainlanders here" attitude, I would think you would want this here, as it gets rid of those you so proudly say you want out.

An increase of permits is not going to cause a dramatic change here on the islands; there is only a small percentage of the population that will even carry them. Efforts are better spent fighting other venues where people (vehicle crashes, pedestrian accidents etc.). Those venues also wont run the state a nice expensive bill.

I welcome any one to the Islands with open arms.  All i ask is that you respect the land, culture, and people. 

Its not Locals vs mainlanders  its about no ccw in Hawaii. 

Alot of u pushing the issue are Navy guys am i correct??  U making all this noise and IF CCW is every allowed in Hawaii you will not be hear to see the destruction that it brings to the State.

Alot of u pushing the issue are Navy guys am i correct??  U making all this noise and IF CCW is every allowed in Hawaii you will not be hear to see the destruction that it brings to the State.

Not that you're obligated, but it's obvious you did no reading on this subject as I pleaded you do. I was going to link a few for you here but I can't access most of those sites at work.

 - Fears being unfounded once shall issues & CCW have passed.

It's all been done before and the results are out there for everyone to see.

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For the sake of clarification, what destuction(s) do you believe will befall Hawaii upon passing of the CCW policy?

...you will not be hear to see the destruction that it brings to the State.

Really? Like the destruction and blood on the streets that was BOUND to happen once they passed Constitutional carry in Arizona? Again, looking at the FACTS shows that anarchy and mass destruction DOES NOT HAPPEN when concealed or constitutional carry are applied in a state.

- Alex

Quote from: Defend Hawaii on December 30, 2010, 08:39:55 AM

Alot of u pushing the issue are Navy guys am i correct??  U making all this noise and IF CCW is every allowed in Hawaii you will not be hear to see the destruction that it brings to the State.

Not that you're obligated, but it's obvious you did no reading on this subject as I pleaded you do. I was going to link a few for you here but I can't access most of those sites at work.

 - Fears being unfounded once shall issues & CCW have passed.

It's all been done before and the results are out there for everyone to see.

*edit*
For the sake of clarification, what destuction(s) do you believe will befall Hawaii upon passing of the CCW policy?

Happened once and it may happen AGAIN if CCW is allowed...

you have to be joking about that pic?  if not,

Clarification, not obscurity, please. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. CCW means white people will go around killing locals? War will break out? Locals will be borderline wiped out as they once were before? This is a racial issue after all? A culture clash?

*edit*
Please don't ridicule DH about the picture. What he's saying is critical to this discussion.

Hear = here?

Happened once and it may happen AGAIN if CCW is allowed...
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LOL! Best laugh of my day how CCW will lead to a revolution 


 

I am so sorry.  I should of known:

Pro-gun gay groups seek to add nationwide CCW

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6719

Good Luck with your mission...  Sorry for being a jerk

Clarification, not obscurity, please. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. CCW means white people will go around killing locals? War will break out? Locals will be borderline wiped out as they once were before? This is a racial issue after all? A culture clash?

*edit*
Please don't ridicule DH about the picture. What he's saying is critical to this discussion.

Simple:  More Hawaii people will get murdered. 

I am so sorry.  I should of known:

Pro-gun gay groups seek to add nationwide CCW

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6719

Good Luck with your mission...  Sorry for being a jerk

Sorry but the "hate crime" bill as it was called, was passed back in Oct of 2009. Way to go on your research once again. 

Just be aware that the reciprocity CCW amendment was added to allow people who are targeted by hate crimes, the ability to CCW in other states. They were still required to acquire a CCW permit. By your statements, sounds to me that your belief is that people who are directly targeted by hate crimes (GLBT, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Hispanics) should not be able to defend themselves against those criminal acts...

Simple:  More Hawaii people will get murdered. 

Your concern goes hand in hand with the myth already dispelled: More guns = more deaths.

 I've come to believe, and always correct me if I'm wrong, you're one of the hostile-type of the 5 percenters in Hawaii. 5% Hawaiian blood, 6 different mixes, and self-made foreign policies entitles you to represent actual Hawaiian people vs the USA. I can genuinely see how this is a very emotional issue for you and how it connects, however unfortunate, partly due to your gun myths you believe, and why you continue to ignore facts in favor of emotional whim. I'm not going to post more facts as they will just go ignored.

 I needed to know what your motivation is and you've revealed that it's not about making Hawaii safe, but about resisting anything you perceive as "foreign". Despite solid numbers and facts, you still believe there are going to be hollywood shootouts over a can of spam. It gets worse. Your erroneous belief is compounded by a notion of "Mainland" vs "us". This type of negative ideology dead-set in someone is far too powerful for someone like me to sway.

The actual issue is about being able to protect yourself outside of your home in Hawaii, but your narrow concern is specifically Hawaii people being killed while commiting a crime.

I was against you being banned. We can't just plug our ears, ban anyone who doesn't agree, and not learn anything. However, I believe I have learned your main reason for opposing CCW isn't even related to the issue.

I fully support banning you if there will be one.