OK thanks. Yes, headed to Front Sight.

When you going and which course you taking?

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When you going and which course you taking?

Aloha bro, I don't want to be posting too many travel details in the public post. Maybe PM you later; are you considering going also?

thanks guys.

for HD, I was thinking to get a lot of choke on it to get the range and more focused spread.

but again, I hope it is scary enough to scare BGs away.

+1, your gonna get about 1 inch of spread for each yard so your still gonna have to aim.  Lots of people have missed even with birdshot!

Ok, lets dispel that myth right now.

Nobody is going to run from hearing a pump shotgun rack that wouldn't have run at the sight or sound of any other firearm.

+1, Guess what, bad guys have guns too and its a good chance they have a shotgun too..  you'r only gonna give away your position and let the bad guy know your one shell down from a maximum amount your gun can possibly hold.  the only time the bad guy should be hearing you rack your slide is just after your first shot and just before the second. 

I have very little shotgun experience.

I fired a Saiga 12 gauge before. I don't know what the ammo load was but they were slugs.

I found the recoil "tolerable" but not loving it. Got bruises on my shoulder.

If I get one with no shoulder stock (just the pistol grip) is that totally stupid and impossible to wield?

I am not expecting to shoot it much actually. Just something to scare bad guys away with a fearsome muzzle.

(No I do not want double barreled).

It will either be pump (most likely) or semi.

you don't expect to shoot it much?  I'd suggest you buy a gun you can practice with and have fun with rather then one you think looks bad ass cuz your gonna get yourself killed!   

What you should do is to either learn how hold and shoot a shotgun properly or get some recoil reducing pads/shoulder protectors/recoil reducing stocks to help you reduce the recoil.  You could also man up but that's not for everyone.  Take comfort in knowing that even with the heaviest loads, when you have that much adrenalin pumping through your body when someone does break into your house to try to kill you, your not gonna feel a damn thing! 
 
Either way, I'd suggest don't get a pistol grip and for god sakes don't try to aim down the barrel with a pistol grip if you do buy a shotgun with one (if you do, Please invite me to video tape it!  I always get a great laugh as people bust open their lips and lose a few teeth which don't listen and take good advice!).  Why not make some friends with someone with a pump action shotgun and try it out?  You can also just buy a shotgun (Mossberg Maverick 88s cost like 200-350 bucks which is cheaper then an airsoft gun now a days or any .22lr handgun.  Most sports authorities have them in stock).  With prices this low and a fairly high availability of them, there is really no reason why everyone shouldn't have at least one 12 gauge pump in their home!   

The point we are trying to make is you don't give the bad guys a chance.  You don't fire warning shots because that gets you charged because you arethe one doing the "reckless endangering."  You can google it, but there are plenty of examples of people who fire warning shots are then ones who get charged not the bg.

+1, Zimmerman got off with no jail time after defending his life from someone which he though would take his.  The woman which a warning shot into the ceiling to ward off her husband which was beating the crap out of her got a minimum sentence of 20 years in jail!  Both happened in Florida at about the same time.  Bottom line is that you don't fire warning shots, you fire only when there is no other recourse in order to save your life!  Hide in a bathroom and barricade that door.  Don't shoot until the guy is pretty much thru the door with an axe and is just about to take your life!

and for got sakes don't try to clear your house by yourself.  You are not swat and even if you were, swat does not clear a house with just one person.  It takes a team with fully auto weapons, bullet proof everything, and a crap load of training!  Call the police, it's their job (although legally they are not really obligated to save you/protect you/ or even show up)!

+1, Zimmerman got off with no jail time after defending his life from someone which he though would take his.  The woman which a warning shot into the ceiling to ward off her husband which was beating the crap out of her got a minimum sentence of 20 years in jail!  Both happened in Florida at about the same time.  Bottom line is that you don't fire warning shots, you fire only when there is no other recourse in order to save your life!  Hide in a bathroom and barricade that door.  Don't shoot until the guy is pretty much thru the door with an axe and is just about to take your life!

and for got sakes don't try to clear your house by yourself.  You are not swat and even if you were, swat does not clear a house with just one person.  It takes a team with fully auto weapons, bullet proof everything, and a crap load of training!  Call the police, it's their job (although legally they are not really obligated to save you/protect you/ or even show up)!

People tend to leave out a couple of details on that woman being sentenced for firing a warning shot.  She LEFT the scene where the husband was a potential threat, then she RETURNED to the scene with her gun (she has a concealed carry permit) to confront the husband.  That's when she fired.  Once you leave the scene, and not being pursued, you are no longer in danger.  She could have sought help or had someone call the police.  She had no reason to return to the home with the gun and fire it.  She had her two children in the house as well.  The verdict was she endangered everyone in the house by discharging the gun, and there was no imminent threat to her or her children.

^^^I was going to say the same thing.  Also left out is that when she fired not only did the husband dig out, so did her kid.  If the kid truly believed his life was in danger, he would have stayed with his mom.

She also invoked Stand Your Ground which you point out is irrelevant as she left and came back.  Not really stand your ground.

^^^I was going to say the same thing.  Also left out is that when she fired not only did the husband dig out, so did her kid.  If the kid truly believed his life was in danger, he would have stayed with his mom.

She also invoked Stand Your Ground which you point out is irrelevant as she left and came back.  Not really stand your ground.

ahhh but if she shot and killed him, it would have been her word vs a dead mans word and guess who wins then?  I stick with my claim, do not fire warning shots!