Carry on private property?? (Read 12542 times)

kekoa

Carry on private property??
« on: August 24, 2013, 05:29:38 PM »
Ok, anyone out there now what the law says about open carry on your own private property? Can you do it? If so are there any required permits?

Just wondering...

808gmac

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2013, 05:38:46 PM »
Ok, anyone out there now what the law says about open carry on your own private property? Can you do it? If so are there any required permits?

Just wondering...

I think, there is no problem, you can be packing on your own backyard (same thing as packing inside your house...The problem for outside is ...as long as your neighbor does not complain...if they do then the cops might come and tell you not to do that.

kekoa

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2013, 05:59:51 PM »
I think, there is no problem, you can be packing on your own backyard (same thing as packing inside your house...The problem for outside is ...as long as your neighbor does not complain...if they do then the cops might come and tell you not to do that.

Dang neighbors :shake:

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2013, 06:18:13 PM »
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kekoa

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2013, 06:32:46 PM »
You are allowed to do so by law, but it is essentially worthless as the laws make it nearly impossible for you to utilize that firearm should a situation arise.

Of course, the secret is to have an in depth knowledge of the laws, and to know exactly what to say and write in your statement to justify its use.

How is it that you can't use it? I understand that if an immanent threat to life is present you have the right the right to protect yourself. Is it because of the ability to retreat from the area? I could see that holding true as opposed to being inside you home where retreat is improbable at best.

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2013, 06:49:29 PM »
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kekoa

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2013, 07:17:26 PM »


As someone stated, the biggest problem lies with the neighbors complaining. If no one will tell on you , or if you live in the boonies, it shouldn't be a problem. Of course, there may come a time when you would have to justify your actions, so that is why I harp on knowing exactly what to say to justify and defend those actions.

Yes sir! I agree with you whole heartedly.

kekoa

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2013, 07:21:07 PM »
I bite your bait too. What are the "right things" to say. You have mentioned that phrase almost as a mantra regarding the discharge of a firearm in defense on the home front.

Hey thanks for the insightful discussion as well.

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JHanawahine

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2013, 08:02:59 PM »
read and understand them well.and if u get stuck remember the 5th amendment

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2013, 08:16:40 PM »
Best advice I've seen:

(1)  Have a pro-2A attorney on speed dial .... and on retainer.

(2)  When asked for a statement by LE, reply, "Officer, I intend to cooperate fully with your investigation.  However, I believe it would be in my best interest to answer any questions in the presence of my lawyer.  Do you mind if I call him?"

You're probably all shaken up after shooting someone.  Your lawyer is calmer and more knowledgeable.  Mistakes can cost you more than you realize.    :thumbsup:
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

808gmac

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2013, 09:01:07 PM »
How is it that you can't use it? I understand that if an immanent threat to life is present you have the right the right to protect yourself. Is it because of the ability to retreat from the area? I could see that holding true as opposed to being inside you home where retreat is improbable at best.

no matter what...whether the law is with you or not, you'll still have to deal with the court if you shoot somebody....for example, a tresspasser comes to your yard while you are not home, then he/she gets hurt, he/she can then sue you (the innocent owner of the property)...go figure!

ACADEMI

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Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2013, 03:32:50 PM »
my family and I open carry on my private land, the police came a couple of times for noise complaints. but they didn't say anything about my holstered handgun and the rifle on my golf cart. they just ask me if was a registered owner of these firearms etc.... but i keep the law at the gates only if i need them or if they want to pick some veggies for there family... so YES to open carry on private lands.... Houses on the other hand different story, because police dont give a rats ass with or without a warrant these days......
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ACADEMI

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2013, 03:51:47 PM »
no matter what...whether the law is with you or not, you'll still have to deal with the court if you shoot somebody....for example, a tresspasser comes to your yard while you are not home, then he/she gets hurt, he/she can then sue you (the innocent owner of the property)...go figure!
that is also correct. you still pay for it! even though you are in the right..... example don't shoot an intruder from behind, only frontal because they are fleeing and not putting you in danger! also an intruder falls, slice, or break something on his body. he or she could sue you for that, even though they are in fact  in the wrong!!!! i use to do private security in the mainland for a lawyer friend of mines, and i sit in some stupid ass hearings and most of the time the criminal always gets away..... even my family lawyer that comes over from time to time says, the law can be changed only if your pockets is deep enough!!!

808gmac

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2013, 04:36:23 PM »
that is also correct. you still pay for it! even though you are in the right..... example don't shoot an intruder from behind, only frontal because they are fleeing and not putting you in danger! also an intruder falls, slice, or break something on his body. he or she could sue you for that, even though they are in fact  in the wrong!!!! i use to do private security in the mainland for a lawyer friend of mines, and i sit in some stupid ass hearings and most of the time the criminal always gets away..... even my family lawyer that comes over from time to time says, the law can be changed only if your pockets is deep enough!!!

yup..roger that!

kekoa

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2013, 06:19:50 PM »
Houses on the other hand different story, because police dont give a rats ass with or without a warrant these days......

Hmm? So on my yard is OK and in my is a no go ??? Or are you just being facetious about the house thing?

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Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2013, 07:19:52 PM »
Hmm? So on my yard is OK and in my is a no go ??? Or are you just being facetious about the house thing?
try it! Holster up and figure it out! You'll figure it out :thumbsup: :shaka:

kekoa

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2013, 08:48:45 PM »
try it! Holster up and figure it out! You'll figure it out :thumbsup: :shaka:

yeah, yeah

Mr. Hyde

Re: Carry on private property??
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2013, 09:50:54 PM »
Is there a current listing of pro 2a lawyers out there we could use? Thanks

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