.50 cal ricochet real or fake? (Read 37692 times)

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2013, 10:52:47 AM »
Nope.  True story.

Ironic how something you joke about isn't very funny for others.....     :(

You should think of this before you say some of the shit you say to others.....just sayin....funny to you.......but.....

To stay relevant to the thread, why would anyone fake this video and possibly lose an eye in the process??? 

Did anyone the grassy knoll in the first video????/
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.50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2013, 11:30:14 AM »

Great analysis and inspection by you both, macsak and 230rn.
Unexpected things do happen in high velocity impacts and ejecta can come back opposite of impact.  But the comparison to water or meteorite impacts doesn't explain the bullet's behavior in the video.  The bullet (or at least a very substantial fragment) comes almost straight back, what, about 300-400 yards? I've seen many up close super slo-mo vids of various rounds, including 50 cals, hitting steel plates 90deg and obliqued, and the jacket obliterates with maybe 1000's of fragments deflecting at various angles, and with the lead core acting as a liquid like the water droplet or meteorite ejecta simulation, but none of these vids ever showed anything like what the bullet in the vid appears to do.  IOW, thousands of fragments doing various things, but never a substantial fragment returning in the original direction of travel with a velocity necessary for traveling hundreds of yards in a second or two.  I guess it can happen.  Just hard to visualize the whole thing.

Teichi

Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2013, 04:37:46 PM »
Ricochets are real. This is one of the reasons that steel targets are not allowed closer at Kokohead. If you were to check out the roof of the rifle and silhouette range, you would see many bullets and fragments of bullets.

Always wear eye protection.

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2013, 05:52:34 PM »
Ricochets are real. This is one of the reasons that steel targets are not allowed closer at Kokohead. If you were to check out the roof of the rifle and silhouette range, you would see many bullets and fragments of bullets.

Always wear eye protection.

Agreed.  Last time shooting out in the desert at basically piles of little rocks and I could hear the returns "pewing" and zooming back and off into who knows where.  Sounded comical almost like being on Mars but then you realize them fragments are really cooking back at you.  A non-ricochet is even scarier like mini guided missiles.

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2013, 09:20:39 PM »
Yeah. Guess its all in the realm of possibility. I just wonder why all the handgun and rifle steel plate competitions I watch live and on TV don't result in any injuries. I saw one with micelik and it was a combo. Was .45 1911, 5.56 AR, and 12g 00 buck, all rapid fire at at most 10 yards I think. And nothin came back. Ever. Weird.

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2013, 10:44:28 PM »
Yeah. Guess its all in the realm of possibility. I just wonder why all the handgun and rifle steel plate competitions I watch live and on TV don't result in any injuries. I saw one with micelik and it was a combo. Was .45 1911, 5.56 AR, and 12g 00 buck, all rapid fire at at most 10 yards I think. And nothin came back. Ever. Weird.
Yeah. Guess its all in the realm of possibility. I just wonder why all the handgun and rifle steel plate competitions I watch live and on TV don't result in any injuries. I saw one with micelik and it was a combo. Was .45 1911, 5.56 AR, and 12g 00 buck, all rapid fire at at most 10 yards I think. And nothin came back. Ever. Weird.

Did you check what kind of ammo they were using?

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2013, 11:10:57 PM »

Did you check what kind of ammo they were using?
AhHAH! Obvious question. Didnt think of that. I'd imagine not FMJ. :D

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2013, 10:32:07 AM »
maybe cheap steel core bullets at hardened steel target? normal lead bullets just splatter when shot at a steel target.

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2013, 02:14:02 PM »


Note the amount of junk coming back.

Note around 1:20 the glancing impact still resulted in a pretty circular ejecta pattern.

Note the bounceback of the steel plate, which, if the bullet has a hard core but doesn't penetrate, can throw that core right back out in the same direction.

Note in the ballistic gelatin and glass shots, the expansion wave and the glass cracks sometimes travel through the material faster than the missile is going.  (Some are of airgun pellets.)

At 5:16 if you look carefully, you can see the shock wave going through the gelatin way ahead of the expansion wave.

At about 6:20 you can see the back of the bullet blow out before the bullet is 3/4 of the way into the target.

Lots of other information in visual form.

Repetitive, but not boring.  The conclusion would be that yes, substantial hunks of junk (including maybe a bullet core or fragments of it) can come straight back toward the shooter.

Toward the end of the sequence you can watch bullets hitting actual silhouette targets.

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2013, 03:02:23 PM »
Watch these crazy ricochets!  :D
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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2013, 03:11:07 PM »
Once again I offer my objection to this kind of long-range "testing" as being unsportsmanlike.

That is all.
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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2013, 07:49:05 PM »

Once again I offer my objection to this kind of long-range "testing" as being unsportsmanlike.

That is all.
That first deer gets hit in the ass and goes from crippled to barely hobbling away.  Must have suffered greatly and been terrified before it died. I'm not a tree hugger, but that's not cool.  Very cruel. 

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2013, 07:57:03 PM »

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Note the amount of junk coming back.

Note around 1:20 the glancing impact still resulted in a pretty circular ejecta pattern.

Note the bounceback of the steel plate, which, if the bullet has a hard core but doesn't penetrate, can throw that core right back out in the same direction.

Note in the ballistic gelatin and glass shots, the expansion wave and the glass cracks sometimes travel through the material faster than the missile is going.  (Some are of airgun pellets.)

At 5:16 if you look carefully, you can see the shock wave going through the gelatin way ahead of the expansion wave.

At about 6:20 you can see the back of the bullet blow out before the bullet is 3/4 of the way into the target.

Lots of other information in visual form.

Repetitive, but not boring.  The conclusion would be that yes, substantial hunks of junk (including maybe a bullet core or fragments of it) can come straight back toward the shooter.

Toward the end of the sequence you can watch bullets hitting actual silhouette targets.

Terry
Incredible video.  It shows all sorts of things can happen, but nothing that resembles the ricochet vid in question, which appears to have a complete bullet if not a substantial fragment coming back, essentially 180', almost perfectly in line with the rifle bore.  Not saying it can't happen.  Possible, just more like a one-in-a-million shot.  Thanks.

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2013, 10:20:45 PM »
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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2013, 11:50:31 AM »
Yipes :0

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2013, 08:56:55 PM »
That first deer gets hit in the ass and goes from crippled to barely hobbling away.  Must have suffered greatly and been terrified before it died. I'm not a tree hugger, but that's not cool.  Very cruel.

What a d*ck!  But I think the vid is real.
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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2013, 06:38:33 AM »
This thread has got me freaked out a bit.

Please tell me why this won't ever happen at Kokohead or our only indoor range on Oahu?

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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2013, 08:04:08 AM »

Watch these crazy ricochets!  :D
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Sheesh... This is one of those things that give hunters a bad name.

1. The guy should get more practice at the range, not on live animals.

2. Poor backstop - don't shoot when the backstop is water or a hard surface due to the unpredictable nature of ricochet.
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Re: .50 cal ricochet real or fake?
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2013, 11:34:26 AM »
Check the woodchuck "Shoot or Don't Shoot?" video by Alan Madison.  I added in a few more for fun.

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