In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated...

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to1952, 20million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, are rounded up and exterminated...

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

A news letter  I recieved from the Front Sight website..... Interesting

This is the book you want:   http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

BTW, you might want to edit 1911 Turkey killed Armenians not Americans, 

A reason Why many Americans of Japanese Ancestry own firearms.  I've heard many say, "Never Again"
   

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5million Americans, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated...

China established gun control in 1953. From 1948 to1952, 20million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, are rounded up and exterminated...

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

A news letter  I recieved from the Front Sight website..... Interesting

And in 2011,  Hawaii residents were STILL unable to exercise their 2A rights...sounds like a story in the making? Been here 15 years and tired of it. It IS really the only reason I am leaving. Had choices to stay here for another
tour, but I am really fed up with the local kine crap..and it is just that...crap.

The difference between your post and mine? Confiscation hasn't happened yet, but at least the local gov has a method to locate firearm owners...going somewhere where they support it, not single us out.

I will be rooting for you guys every morning I put on my gunbelt and my sidearm...praying that none of you need what you cannot carry.

God bless!

Sorry, did spell check on the ARMENIAN...lol

Yep, Hawaii politics Suck.

But, it's what the  "people"  Want and it's what they get.

Leaving is not an Option for me and the Wife,  Maybe, I'll live to see a "new" range.......

I also agree.

 I just hope, with all the new members here, and all the new gun owners joining the ranks in Hawaii, we can effect change.
We must all start being proactive in politics and 2A.  If not then we'll just have to continue living under the thumb of the system.

New to guns? Please support some kind, any kind, of local pro 2A rights organization!  And next time VOTE.

I'm having trouble understanding the intent in the China line. It says they established GC 1953, but the statistic quoted is before GC (1948 - 1952). The rest of the 6 statistics are after they established GC.

Thank you for catching that DREGS! I AdJusted date to correct date. 1935 not 1953.... sorry...

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated...

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to1952, 20million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, are rounded up and exterminated...

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...

A news letter  I recieved from the Front Sight website..... Interesting

A good video link with the same message:
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In 2013, the New World Order of Obama established 100% Gun Ban for private citizens, Backed by UN Agenda 21. From 2013 to 2016, about 80 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
they were rounded up and exterminated.....

Only Criminals and the Government will have Guns.

You have until November 6, 2012 to enjoy firearms ownership.  At 8am EST there will be an Presidential Executive Order issued banning all privately owned firearms. Followed by a UN supervised confiscation.
The US Military only takes orders from the UN according to Dictator Obama, The illegal POTUS.

In 2013, the New World Order of Obama established 100% Gun Ban for private citizens, Backed by UN Agenda 21. From 2013 to 2016, about 80 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
they were rounded up and exterminated.....

Only Criminals and the Government will have Guns.

You have until November 6, 2012 to enjoy firearms ownership.  At 8am EST there will be an Presidential Executive Order issued banning all privately owned firearms. Followed by a UN supervised confiscation.
The US Military only takes orders from the UN according to Dictator Obama, The illegal POTUS.

Just wondering where you came across this bit of information? Was this published by a gov. agency?
You have until November 6, 2012 to enjoy firearms ownership.  At 8am EST there will be an Presidential Executive Order issued banning all privately owned firearms. Followed by a UN supervised confiscation.
The US Military only takes orders from the UN according to Dictator Obama, The illegal POTUS.

Forgive me for being ignorant to the rhetoric, I've been away from the fight for some time.

I've bee using this as a sig line on another board for quite a while.  The link is quite possibly the original source of that kind of information.

This says it all: "Disarmed people are neither free nor safe - they become the criminals' prey and the tyrants' playthings." http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

Go ahead, add up the numbers in the fourth column.  I dare you.

You can also insert "genocide" into any search engine.

Terry, 230RN

The way they will get to us is by arresting our family first.  Then holding them hostage till we turn in our weapons.

What do you think all the FEMA camps are for?

http://www.uaff.us/ndrp_executive_order.htm

And in 2011,  Hawaii residents were STILL unable to exercise their 2A rights...sounds like a story in the making? Been here 15 years and tired of it. It IS really the only reason I am leaving. Had choices to stay here for another
tour, but I am really fed up with the local kine crap..and it is just that...crap.

The difference between your post and mine? Confiscation hasn't happened yet, but at least the local gov has a method to locate firearm owners...going somewhere where they support it, not single us out.

I don't blame you Voodu. Lived here my whole life and I'm sick of it.

I've seen this thing pop up several times over the years.  Cursory research always showed me that it was propagandized, and I subsequently ignored it.  Honestly, nothing ruins a good, sound argument like exaggeration and inflation.  Pile on a little hyperbole, and you have a formula for being labeled "whack job" or "conspiracy nut" and being tuned out.

Which is a shame, because the truth is alarming enough.  But turn it up to 11 for shock's sake, and you loose all credence with anyone who may have been undecided. "We" are every bit as bad as "them" when it comes to this.

Tom, that might have been true in years past, but I am seeing something different these days.  Folks that for many years never really gave a rats ass, now care about things I never thought they would care about, and subjects that those folks would blow me off as nuts, now are becoming of interest to them.  It is good in a way, but scary when you think about it.  Scary as in, has the world changed that much as to get these guys off their ass?  Now that is something to think about.

Tom, that might have been true in years past, but I am seeing something different these days.  Folks that for many years never really gave a rats ass, now care about things I never thought they would care about, and subjects that those folks would blow me off as nuts, now are becoming of interest to them.  It is good in a way, but scary when you think about it.  Scary as in, has the world changed that much as to get these guys off their ass?  Now that is something to think about.

It may be that the world has changed that much. But my feeling is that the people you know have gotten older and wiser. And I have found as we get older we start caring more about the things that are important and affect us more. JMHO! 

I am just lucky my son knows what the constitution is.  In school now they DO NOT teach it like they use to. and they should
but the liberals control the schools too. so parents uncles and aunties and grandparents its your job to teach the constitution
to the younger ones!  Just ask some kids now what the constitution is? you'll be surprised at some of the answers.

Tom_G remarked,

Cursory research always showed me that it was propagandized,

Perhaps, but most of the research on genocide and democide that I've found is pretty explicit about the fact that the numbers have to be estimated, and may have a wide error-band.  I think it's when the information is re-reported that possible propagandization takes place.

It's similar to the claims that "umpteen <thousand> <million>" crimes are prevented by the mere presence of firearms.  Who can really tell exactly, since most "preventions" go unreported?  Such data has to be based on "estimates" and "projections" derived from other data.

The point is, that despite the need for estimations and projections to assess the horror of genocide and democide, and even if we are wrong by a factor of ten up or down, these things have happened in large enough numbers to be appalling and to alert thee and me to the danger of disarming a whole populace or segment thereof.

Or infringing on their rights to self-protection and self-determination.*

So, while I appreciate your conservatism in assessing the data, the truths are there, despite perhaps being wrong by a factor of ten, or even a hundred.

Terry, 230RN

* This, by registration, licensing, "safety classes," prohibition of  certain classes of people, restricting magazine capacity, fees, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

So, while I appreciate your conservatism in assessing the data, the truths are there, despite perhaps being wrong by a factor of ten, or even a hundred.

Lots of things in your extremely literary post that I'd like to get around to addressing.  But I need to brush my teeth and head to work, so I'll limit myself to this one.  To say that accuracy isn't relevant because you know it's true is just a hair's breadth, in my opinion, from saying "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."  At which point I would expect you to conclude by sticking your tongue out at me and stomping away.

Accept this.  There is a portion of the society who stops listening when hyperbole, exaggeration, and disregard for accuracy become your principle foundations for an argument.  It's not a question of whether the truths are there, it's a question of how does one get someone else to acknowledge those truths.  And, at least in the case of my psychographic, this approach is guaranteed 100% counterproductive.