I was reading through this old thread trying to find an answer regarding purchasing C&R handguns online and some say no problem, just take it to HPD and register it, while others have responded that you have to apply for your permit to acquire FIRST before receiving the gun.
Please, I need to know!   ready everyone........ok go!
 

I was reading through this old thread trying to find an answer regarding purchasing C&R handguns online and some say no problem, just take it to HPD and register it, while others have responded that you have to apply for your permit to acquire FIRST before receiving the gun.
Please, I need to know!   ready everyone........ok go!
 

The reason for the C&R is so you can purchase it online and receive directly in the mail. Then take it to HPD and register it. Without your C&R FFL you cannot legally receive it directly. And the seller would be in violation of the law if they sent it directly to you without having a copy of your C&R FFL on file.

Inspector,
I have a FFL 03 license, and a long gun permit to acquire so I can have long guns shipped directly to my home.  What about handguns though?
Do I have to apply for a handgun permit to acquire first?  I think the C&R dealers will UPS me handguns as long as I am have my FFL 03 license, but what happens when I go to HPD to register it?


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Inspector,
I have a FFL 03 license, and a long gun permit to acquire so I can have long guns shipped directly to my home.  What about handguns though?
Do I have to apply for a handgun permit to acquire first?  I think the C&R dealers will UPS me handguns as long as I am have my FFL 03 license, but what happens when I go to HPD to register it?


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Sorry, misread your question. As far as long guns are concerned, your golden. But for handguns, you will have to take a class and pass the test and earn your certificate. Once you have your certificate you then have to go down and get the handgun permit. Once you have that you are good to go with C&R handguns. Just order the handgun and then take it down to HPD after it arrives at your front door.

Okay, I'll bite. Where's a good place to look for some curios? 

Okay, I'll bite. Where's a good place to look for some curios? 

Here is a website that lists most of the C&R deals but not all of them. But at least it tells you which websites are selling C&R guns.

https://www.slickguns.com/cr-deals

Best thing to do in my opinion is to go out to each website referenced at Slick Guns and see what they have for sale. I have dealt with most of them and can say they are pretty good to deal with. Oh, Sarco at e-Sarco.com is an interesting place. Some people refuse to buy anything from them but I found them to be pretty good. There used to be a place called Samco but they went out of business. They had a huge inventory at great prices. Too bad they went under. Aim Surplus is a little higher priced but usually have good to excellent guns so it may be worth paying a little extra.

I am not an expert by any means. So I know there are more places. For instance Firearms News (The old Shotgun News) will have a place or two you won't find in Google unless you dig really deep. And my black powder buddies all have their fav websites which mostly sell antique arms which does not require a C&R but if you watch them they sometimes get some C&R deals. And then there is Century Arms. You can't get into most of their website until you send them your C&R. But once you log in there are literally hundreds of C&R guns and parts you can buy. Some names I recognize from the thread about guns you would never buy again. Like Lorcin, Raven, etc.

Unless there are new rules, you DO NOT need the training affidavit NOR the handgun permit to register a C&R qualified handgun.

Please see this thread for details.  It's pretty straight forward.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=17226.msg158387#msg158387

Unless there are new rules, you DO NOT need the training affidavit NOR the handgun permit to register a C&R qualified handgun.

Please see this thread for details.  It's pretty straight forward.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=17226.msg158387#msg158387

That's interesting because every time I have gone to register a long gun and/or hand gun HPD asked for my appropriate permit(s). Why do you think they did this?

That's interesting because every time I have gone to register a long gun and/or hand gun HPD asked for my appropriate permit(s). Why do you think they did this?

Did you acquire from out of state?

Did you acquire from out of state?

Yes. Does that make a difference?

As a matter of fact the oriental officer who is big on the C&R guns challenged me one day saying that the place I bought the gun from does not sell C&R guns. Then proceeded to go out to their website and found out otherwise.

Yes. Does that make a difference?

The C&R FFL protects intrastate commerce.  The state can't interfere with your purchases from out of state.  The Hawaii pistol permit is called "PERMIT TO ACQUIRE."  You are already cleared to acquire, else you could not receive in the mail directly, right?

If you buy locally, then you might as well save the hassle of listing that C&R in your collection.  Just do the normal permit and wait thing.  Selling later will be much easier if it's not under your C&R license.  Still have to enter it in your C&R book, but it doesn't flag you as a business by the ATF if you try selling a few C&R guns at once..

When I called HPD, they told me no training affidavit and no handgun permit.  They only need the long gun permit to show you had a background check.

Like I said, it might change, but this is how I did it before.

The C&R FFL protects intrastate commerce.  The state can't interfere with your purchases from out of state.  The Hawaii pistol permit is called "PERMIT TO ACQUIRE."  You are already cleared to acquire, else you could not receive in the mail directly, right?

If you buy locally, then you might as well save the hassle of listing that C&R in your collection.  Just do the normal permit and wait thing.  Selling later will be much easier if it's not under your C&R license.  Still have to enter it in your C&R book, but it doesn't flag you as a business by the ATF if you try selling a few C&R guns at once..

When I called HPD, they told me no training affidavit and no handgun permit.  They only need the long gun permit to show you had a background check.

Like I said, it might change, but this is how I did it before.

K Thanks!!!

Yes. Does that make a difference?

As a matter of fact the oriental officer who is big on the C&R guns challenged me one day saying that the place I bought the gun from does not sell C&R guns. Then proceeded to go out to their website and found out otherwise.

That is a totally irrelevant challenge.   As a collector, you are considered a licensee, and anyone, FFL or not, can ship to you as long as they follow the laws about delivery address, carriers and markings.

As long as the seller gave you all their correct information, that's all that's required.  HPD can't require you to only buy from other collectors.  That's just stupid beyond any rational argument!

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm or ammunition, prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm and requires obtaining written acknowledgement of receipt.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a)(5), 922(e) and (f); 27 CFR 478.30 and 478.31]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-common-or-contract-carrier


May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A); 27 CFR 478.31]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service


To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?

A person may transfer a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his or her State, provided the transferor does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the transferee is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. There may be State laws that regulate intrastate firearm transactions. A person considering transferring a firearm should contact his or her State Attorney General’s Office to inquire about the laws and possible State or local restrictions.

Generally, for a person to lawfully transfer a firearm to an unlicensed person who resides out of State, the firearm must be shipped to a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) within the transferee’s State of residence. The transferee may then receive the firearm from the FFL upon completion of an ATF Form 4473 and a NICS background check.

A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he or she or she does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. Another exception is provided for transfers of firearms to nonresidents to carry out a lawful bequest or acquisition by intestate succession. This exception would authorize the transfer of a firearm to a nonresident who inherits a firearm under the will of a decedent.

A person may transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.

[18 U.S.C 922(a)(5) and 922(d); 27 CFR 478.30, 478.32]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/whom-may-unlicensed-person-transfer-firearms-under-gca