I called TSA and they said to ask Hawaiian as it's their policy. I called them and received a YES to my question. Now before we go and buy hundreds of ammo and get denied at the terminal, has anyone done this before?

I asked them this. Hawaiian Air policy says "when in excess, firearms will be subject to normal excess baggage charges". Does that mean we can bring more than 11lbs and pay the excess baggage charge? If so does that mean we can go up to 70lbs and just pay the $50 baggage fee?

Does ammunition count as firearms?

FYI, TSA said bullets and casings count as ammunition.

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Edit: I called Hawaiian for the 3rd time and verified that I can bring in more than 11lbs of ammunition. He spoke with his supervisor and they said the limit is 11lbs for ammunition but you can bring more if you declare it ahead of time and pay the excess weight baggage fee. That means for $50 more we can bring 70lbs worth of ammunition as long as it's packaged properly. I specifically said ammunition only and no firearms. He said to call and declare and not do the electronic check in.  He said we do not need things in writing which is scary but as long as we call in ahead of time and declare we are not a threat it's fine.

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Does ammunition count as firearms?

NO. But there is a restricted weight limit to 11lbs for ammunition. I believe the only other airlines that allows you to fly with more is Alaska, which should allow 50lbs


The 2nd guy said anything counts as firearms so we can bring over 11lbs of ammunition. At the same time he said IDK and to call TSA. I will keep calling to make sure. I emailed Hawaiian twice and 1st time they told me to call TSA and 2nd time they said call reservations. We called reservations twice. I kinda wanted to have it in writing.

PM Hnl.flyboy on this one.  He has recent experience with Hawaiian Air and not a good one. 

PM Hnl.flyboy on this one.  He has recent experience with Hawaiian Air and not a good one.

Hnl.flyboy
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=11372.msg111688#msg111688

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Keep this in mind... Even if some CS rep tells you one thing,(that you can fly with up to 70lbs ammunition) It does not mean the people at your check in airport are going to allow it. You should get it in writing and have contact information handy for the person responsible. And furthermore, a backup plan. I can tell you right now they are not going to allow 70lbs of ammo. Ammunition is 11 lbs. per person. per checked bag, meaning you cant put 22 lbs in one bag. thats it.

Also regarding the notifying hawaiian air prior when you travel with firearms. When I flew I called them to ask what that meant and the person I talked to simply said it meant declaring them at check-in.

If you want to bring back brass and bullets just flat rate box them. They are not hazardous and its no problem 

Directly from Hawaiian Airlines 'Contract of Carriage Rule'.


Shooting Equipment (Sporting Firearms)
Items of shooting equipment will be accepted only as checked baggage subject to the conditions and charges specified below. For the purpose of this provision one item of shooting equipment is defined as (1) one bag and may include up to but not more than, 5kg (11 lbs) of ammunition. Normal baggage size and weight limits apply.
Conditions of Acceptance
Firearms must be unloaded and placed in a suitable container. Firearms must be packed in (1) a manufacturer's crush-proof type container, manufactured specifically for the firearm, or (2) a hard case. Baggage containing handguns must be locked with a key or lock combination in possession of the passenger only, and the bag must be of hard side type. Baggage containing firearms will be transported in an area, other than the cockpit, that is inaccessible to passengers.
Ammunition must be packed in the manufacturer's original package or securely packed in fiber, wood, or metal boxes.
For transportation to/from locations outside of the United States acceptance requirements of the host government apply and must be verified upon acceptance. The passenger shall comply with all laws, regulations, orders, demands, or travel requirements of countries to be flown from, into, or over, and with all rules, regulations, and instructions of carrier. Carrier shall not be liable for any aid or information given by any agent or employee of carrier to any passenger in connection with obtaining necessary documents or complying with such laws, regulations, orders, demands, requirements, or instructions, whether given orally, in writing, or otherwise, or for the consequences to any passenger resulting from his failure to obtain such documents or to comply with such laws, regulations, orders, demands, requirements, or instructions.
Charges
When in excess, firearms will be subject to normal excess baggage charges.

11 lbs is an International recognized limit . Under ICAO/ IATA "Dangerous Goods"  , US equivalent to HazMat.

Keep in mind its 11lbs per ticketed person. If you are traveling with 4 ticketed persons ( including infants) thats 44lbs.

Directly from Hawaiian Airlines 'Contract of Carriage Rule'.


Shooting Equipment (Sporting Firearms)
Items of shooting equipment will be accepted only as checked baggage subject to the conditions and charges specified below. For the purpose of this provision one item of shooting equipment is defined as (1) one bag and may include up to but not more than, 5kg (11 lbs) of ammunition. Normal baggage size and weight limits apply.
Conditions of Acceptance
Firearms must be unloaded and placed in a suitable container. Firearms must be packed in (1) a manufacturer's crush-proof type container, manufactured specifically for the firearm, or (2) a hard case. Baggage containing handguns must be locked with a key or lock combination in possession of the passenger only, and the bag must be of hard side type. Baggage containing firearms will be transported in an area, other than the cockpit, that is inaccessible to passengers.
Ammunition must be packed in the manufacturer's original package or securely packed in fiber, wood, or metal boxes.
For transportation to/from locations outside of the United States acceptance requirements of the host government apply and must be verified upon acceptance. The passenger shall comply with all laws, regulations, orders, demands, or travel requirements of countries to be flown from, into, or over, and with all rules, regulations, and instructions of carrier. Carrier shall not be liable for any aid or information given by any agent or employee of carrier to any passenger in connection with obtaining necessary documents or complying with such laws, regulations, orders, demands, requirements, or instructions, whether given orally, in writing, or otherwise, or for the consequences to any passenger resulting from his failure to obtain such documents or to comply with such laws, regulations, orders, demands, requirements, or instructions.
Charges
When in excess, firearms will be subject to normal excess baggage charges.

Bolded is what I'm questioning Hawaiian. Both times they said it's fine that we go over the 11lb limit. I asked if ammunition counts and they said yes. Just pay the excess baggage fee of $50 for up to 70lbs and I will be fine. Tomorrow I'm going to ask for a manager and try to get this in writing.

It clearly says "up to but NOT MORE THAN 11 lbs. "
what's so fricken hard to understand 

Bolded is what I'm questioning Hawaiian. Both times they said it's fine that we go over the 11lb limit. I asked if ammunition counts and they said yes. Just pay the excess baggage fee of $50 for up to 70lbs and I will be fine. Tomorrow I'm going to ask for a manager and try to get this in writing.

When in excess, firearms will be subject to normal excess baggage charges.

The check-in agent won't remove the gun and ammo from your luggage to weigh them individually.  I'm sure someone here will correct me if they have ever had that happen. 

They weigh the luggage with firearms and ammo like any other.  If the bag is under the weight limit, then no overweight charges.  If it's overweight, or you check more bags than your fare allows (excess), then you will be charged extra.

I carried exactly 11 lbs of ammo on United twice this year, and they never even looked at it.  They handed me the firearm declaration form, I closed up the bag, they weighed it, and it went onto the plane.

I could have carried 30 lbs of ammo as far as the airline was concerned as long as the bag was under the total limit or I paid the overweight fee.  However, TSA gets to check your bag, too.  They can refuse to allow ammo over the 11 lb limit before the luggage is loaded onboard

I called TSA twice and both times from two different people they said they have nothing to do with Hawaiian's policy. They don't care about how much ammo you bring or if you are over the weight limit. They only care about their own firearm policy which is proper handling and storing of your firearm and ammo.

It clearly says "up to but NOT MORE THAN 11 lbs. "
what's so fricken hard to understand 

Then why put at the bottom the excess baggage weight charge? It's like saying ammo is up to but not more than 11lbs but if you do go over 11lbs we will charge you standard excess weight charges. Two different Hawaiian agents also said yes but I could tell they were just reading the same thing I was. I specifically asked "so you telling me that I can bring 70lbs of ammo and pay the $50 excess weight charge and it will be fine?" The person said yes. I still don't trust and want it in writing. The worst is that they don't allow. The best is they allow and my troubles will help you and everyone else out.

Double post

I called TSA twice and both times from two different people they said they have nothing to do with Hawaiian's policy. They don't care about how much ammo you bring or if you are over the weight limit. They only care about their own firearm policy which is proper handling and storing of your firearm and ammo.

So, I guess the question remains ... what's the question?

You pack guns and 11 lbs of ammo, declare it at check-in, and .... you travel.

You confused yourself in the original post.  You garbled the 11lb ammo limit and the excess baggage fee.  The fee is NOT specific to ammo.  It's for all bags.  The ammo limit is 11 lbs.  PERIOD.

You can get away with a couple extra boxes just don't try to work the system too hard!   And the ammo does not have to match the firearms.  Which does make for some interesting questioning if noticed but is not against any laws or rules.

Still a (free) Republic if we can keep it.

As you have been told the ammo limit is 11 lb. Excess baggage fees can be for oversize, 3 checked bag or overweight. 
More than likely you can get away with more... But not 50 lbs.

I called Hawaiian for the 3rd time and verified that I can bring in more than 11lbs of ammunition. He spoke with his supervisor and they said the limit is 11lbs for ammunition but you can bring more if you declare it ahead of time and pay the excess weight baggage fee. That means for $50 more we can bring 70lbs worth of ammunition as long as it's packaged properly. I specifically said ammunition only and no firearms. He said to call and declare and not do the electronic check in.  He said we do not need things in writing which is scary but as long as we call in ahead of time and declare we are not a threat it's fine.

^^^^ good to go..............