I compiled data from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports (1995 -2012) for the State of Hawaii.

The first number = year.

The second number = total murders.

The third number = murders involving firearms.

Fourth number = firearm murders as a % of all murders.

1995; 56; 25: 44.64%
1996; 38; 16; 42.10%
1997; 46; 15; 32.60%
1998; 24; 6; 25.00%
1999; 43; 22; 51.16%  (7 people killed in the Xerox shooting)
2000; 33; 7; 21.21%
2001; 31; 7; 22.58%
2002; 23; 10; 43.47%
2003; 22; 8; 36.36%
2004; 31; 6; 19.35%
2005; 20; 2; 10.00%
2006; 21; 7; 33.33%
2007; 12; 3; 25.00%
2008; 25; 11; 44.00%
2009; 21; 8; 38.09%
2010; 24; 7; 29.17%
2011; 7; 1; 14.28%
2012; 13; 3; 23.07%

Total firearm murders for this 18 year period is 164.

Total firearm murders from 1999 through 2010 is 98.

So, the remaining 387 (485-98=387) deaths must be attributed to suicides, justifiable homicides, LEO activities?

Also, did you notice that the Reso identifies the time period spanning 1999 to 2010?

12 years is an awkward period of time to reference... unless you are intentionally trying to manipulate the numbers.

If this clown is trying to curry favor with POTUS, he must not have see POTUS' latest approval ratings.

Attaboy, Councilman Chang... way to try to tie your dinghy to a sinking ship and alienate your constituents!

If you have time, check Hawaii against Vermont for statistics.

Just spoke with Breene Harimoto, Councilman of District 8. He will be voting NO if this really goes to hearing. 

I'm waiting for people to start saying,

"Stop encroaching on our rights or else..."

I think we are getting to the point beyond letters and rallies; People need to start turning up the heat on the politicians.

anyone else notice "assault magazines"?

I went to college with his chief of staff
He will be getting an email within the next few days

it's going to be difficult not putting in the letter at some point, "i know i didn't go to hahvahd law school like you did, but i watched schoolhouse rock when i was a kid, and i'm pretty sure the "i am just a bill, living up on capital hill" episode never involved a city council resolution"

it's going to be difficult not putting in the letter at some point, "i know i didn't go to hahvahd law school like you did, but i watched schoolhouse rock when i was a kid, and i'm pretty sure the "i am just a bill, living up on capital hill" episode never involved a city council resolution"

or
"i know you don't have to listen to my input, it's not like i'm a member of the hawaii bar association- oops, never mind"

Sent an email to him, "my" Councilman.  Blegh.

I'm waiting for people to start saying,
"Stop encroaching on our rights or else..."
I think we are getting to the point beyond letters and rallies; People need to start turning up the heat on the politicians.

<insert cynicism>
well, when you're a Democrat in Hawaii ...nothing will happen

The funny thing is that "assault weapons"  and "assault magazines" probably accounted for none of the 485 deaths since 1999 so this bill would have NO effect on that number. and besides, I bet that 485 figure includes police shootings, thereby making it totally bogus. I could be wrong but those libs really like to lump together all kinds of irrelevant figures.

Where do we go to apply for CCW?

Maybe we should have a CCW Hawaii day. Everyone take off and go the police station and apply in large numbers. Maybe even get some press so they know Hawaii is not really a CCW state.

You know, I'm really really sick and tired of these lying politicians and their false statistics and absurd claims about gun control laws and causality and crime rates. The problem is that most people they are addressing don't know and probably don't care that they are being duped by ignorant/incompetent deceitful liars. Like Mr. Chang's resolution, I have received numerous responses from my U.S. Congressional Representative, Tulsi Gabbard, full of lies about gun control and crime rates. Her view, of course, is that fewer guns, especially those bad black guns ("assault weapons"), means fewer crimes. How many times can I send her the real stats and she just lies right back at me?

Here are the FBI stats for 2012 for Violent Crime Rate (VCR) comparing several small states, including Hawaii. You'll note that Hawaii does not rank best in any category, and clearly ranks worse than states that have liberal gun ownership and gun carry laws. So where's their friggin' causality argument now?! If they really believe that gun laws determine the crime rates, then Hawaii ought to emulate the gun laws of states that have lower violent crime rates, correct? That'd be "Constitutional Carry".

I apologize if the formatting of the stats does not transfer cleanly to the forum...

                       VCR    Murder rape    robbery      assault

Delaware       547.4    6.2       26.5    162.7       352

Hawaii            239.2    2.1       20.5    74.7       141.9

Idaho             207.9    1.8       30        15.2       160.9

Maine            122.7    1.9       28       31.8       61

Montana         272.2    2.7       37.7    19       212.8

North Dakota    244.7    4       38.9    18.7       183.1

Rhode Island    252.4    3.2    27.4    67.9       153.9

New Hampshire 187.9    1.1    34        35.7       117

South Dakota    321.8    3       70.2    19               229.7

Vermont           142.6    1.3       19.3    17.9       104.2

Virginia           190.1    3.8       17.7    57.5       111.1

Source: FBI Uniform Crime Data for 2012.

You know, I'm really really sick and tired of these lying politicians and their false statistics and absurd claims about gun control laws and causality and crime rates. The problem is that most people they are addressing don't know and probably don't care that they are being duped by ignorant/incompetent deceitful liars. Like Mr. Chang's resolution, I have received numerous responses from my U.S. Congressional Representative, Tulsi Gabbard, full of lies about gun control and crime rates. Her view, of course, is that fewer guns, especially those bad black guns ("assault weapons"), means fewer crimes. How many times can I send her the real stats and she just lies right back at me?

Ms. Gabbard is an exception as she has extensive mil training - so she knows what she's talking about.

I started writing an email to the entire council with the ending "Maybe take a firearms course to learn about firearms, the different types, there are too many politicians out there than write laws without understanding the subject matter even on the most basic level."

Then it got me thinking, what if we  we actually gave the NRA course to these politicians for free? I've had folks that were anti-gun until their fired their first firearm and were educated on it change their mind.

I'd offer to pay my council member to take a course if they haven't already done so. Just a thought.

Tulsi Gabbard is just an idiot.. can't fix stupid.

I started writing an email to the entire council with the ending "Maybe take a firearms course to learn about firearms, the different types, there are too many politicians out there than write laws without understanding the subject matter even on the most basic level."

Then it got me thinking, what if we  we actually gave the NRA course to these politicians for free? I've had folks that were anti-gun until their fired their first firearm and were educated on it change their mind.

I'd offer to pay my council member to take a course if they haven't already done so. Just a thought.

Tulsi Gabbard is just an idiot.. can't fix stupid.

Life does this if I'm not mistaken and have an open door/offer. No one has taken them up on it.

Ms. Gabbard is an exception as she has extensive mil training - so she knows what she's talking about.

Right. She always makes a point of writing about her military service and how that qualifies her to quote erroneous statistics and make false claims about the causal factors in crime rates and firearm restriction laws.

Here is a portion of her latest example, just one paragraph (emphasis added to emphasize her knowledge and experience of firearms as gained through her military experience):

"As a Soldier and Military Police Officer, I have received extensive training and have significant experience in handling a variety of firearms.   Having firsthand knowledge of the impact of these weapons, and the devastation they can cause, I do not see any role for military-style assault weapons on our streets and in our communities.   This is why I support reinstating the assault weapons ban, and a ban on high-capacity clips holding more than 10 rounds.   These provisions replicate the protections that we have already in place in Hawai`i, and which have played a role in our state having the lowest firearm-related homicide rate in the country."

I'm assuming that when she writes "I do not see any role for military-style assault weapons on our streets and in our communities" she has, as was the case in the originally passed-without-exceptions New York state SAFE Act, forgotten to exempt law enforcement from such a ban. Law enforcement certainly has these military-style assault weapons on our streets and in our communities, but they don't call them "assault weapons", they call them "patrol rifles".

I'm doing everything I can to defeat her in 2014. Not that I like the Republicans at all. Where's the libertarian to represent me?

Hope you did'nt vote for him, then you'd be more "burn't"
If you did, hope you let him know he won't get your vote (or your friends and family's vote ) for him running for congress ! 

No, I didn't vote for him.  I will have some choice things to say to him when he comes to "press the flesh"

Where do we go to apply for CCW?

Maybe we should have a CCW Hawaii day. Everyone take off and go the police station and apply in large numbers. Maybe even get some press so they know Hawaii is not really a CCW state.

    I have some questions regarding CCW.
 
1)    Have there really been only 4 applications for CCW ?
Posted on July, 30 2013 @ 09:42 PM @
 http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread962292/pg1
 
2)    Must I Drop off  forms at the Gun registration window or may I have them delivered directly to the Chief of Police ?
    Signature at window required or can it be notarized and delivered as above to COP?
 
3)   If delivered directly to the Chief of Police, can the delivery package contain more than one single individuals application (100 separate requests) for CCW ?
 
    Who is the "Master of Info" on that subject ?

Good news though we may have a allie with the mayor.  I spoke with him at young guns this morning.   He was there shopping with his famipy.  I spoke with him about preservation of the sport, range acess, and a few other things.  He seemed very comfortable in the store.   martha and don were talking to hI'm about the 100 yard restrictions

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Sent to all Council members and Mayor

Dear Council Persons.

   I have recently become aware of councilman Chang’s introduction of Resolution 13-280 and wish to state this households ( 4 votes) disapproval of the resolution as well as inform you of the inaccuracies of the information he has provided as a basis for this resolution.
   Though I do not have time to correct nor argue each of his fabrications, I will do so upon what I feel are the most pertinent and blatant of what I can only assume are his assumptions as I can find no evidence to support them.

   violence involving firearms in the United States presents a persistent societal ill that results in approximately 100,000 victims annually, including over 30,000 deaths
The US Department of Justice reports that approximately 60%  (6 out of 10 or) of all adult firearm deaths are by suicide, 61% more than deaths by homicide nationally.
In 2010, 358 murders were reported  (NATIONALLY) involving a rifle

The United States Supreme Court has affirmed once and for all that Americans have a right to keep and bear arms.
Yet the this very right “to keep and bear arms” (CCW) is denied in Hawaii

   However, as conservative justice Antonin Scalia outlined, the District of Columbia v. Heller decision does not prohibit laws forbidding firearms in places such as schools or regulation of unusually dangerous weapons, nor does it restrict laws prohibiting felons and the mentally ill from carrying guns
The statement is relative to reasonable existing law and has no bearing on his resolution.

   unlike most states, Hawaii requires every firearm to be registered, requires every purchaser of a firearm to obtain a license after a background check, and bans assault pistols and large capacity ammunition magazines that can be used with assault pistols;
Again, this is something that already exists and has no relevance to the resolution.

   Hawaii has the lowest rate of gun deaths among the states, but 485 people died in Hawaii between 1999 and 2010 from gun violence
Data from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports (1995 -2012) for the State of Hawaii states a t total of firearm murders from 1999 through 2010 is 98.
Total firearm murders in Hawaii from 1995 to 2012 (18 years) is 164.

So according to his total of 485, the remaining 387 (485-98=387) deaths he mentions must be attributed to suicides (60% or 232 based upon DOJ Statistics) leaving the remaining 154 as justifiable homicides, LEO activities?

   Changs choice of start and stop dates (1995 -2012), is also convenient to his cry.
   “Hawaii firearms registrations shot up more than 70 percent in 2012, while gun violence continued a four-year decline, according to a new state Department of the Attorney General report.
"Firearm-related homicides dropped from 18,253 homicides in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011," according to a report by the Federal Bureau of Justice Statistics,
   In  Hawaii 2011 and  2012 there were a total of 20 murders, 4 of which involved fire arms.

   stronger laws would lead to a lower number of deaths resulting from gun violence
The above reports by US DOJ and FBI prove this to be wrong

   reasonable restrictions on possession and use of firearms are continually stymied by the gun lobby despite recurring mass shootings across the country and a national consensus to reign in the rampant proliferation of guns
Not all of these restrictions are  “reasonable” and it is not just the Gun Lobby, it is “WE THE PEOPLE“.

   the United States Congress appears to be unable to agree on any legislation that would address gun violence issues
Congress is agreeing with “WE THE PEOPLE“.

BE IT RESOLVED by the Council of the City and County of Honolulu that it urges the United States Congress to enact legislation necessary to implement President Barack Obama’s “Now is the Time” plan to reduce gun violence

   There are almost as many gun permits/registrations in Hawaii as there are residents and our political representatives who vote to approve this resolution will surely be aware of that fact come election time.
   To vote yes on this resolution may put you in the “60%” mentioned above politically .

Regards,