As I was gathering info to oppose Councilman Chang's  Resolution 13-280 Anti Gun Resolution
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12151.0
and found the most disturbing news.
   
    Here is a list of ALL Hawaii CCW Applications and results by year.

2012    5   Applications (4 Honolulu, 1 Maui)
2011    ?    Unknown
2010    3   Applications
2009    6   Applications
2008    1   Application
2007    7   Applications
2006    1   Application    1 Approved (Kauai)
2005    6   Applications
2004    5   Applications
2003    4   Applications
2002    4   Applications
2001   10  Applications    2 Approved
2000    1   Application

    53 Applications for CCW (+2011) of which 3 were approved.
It wasn't the number of approvals that shocked me, it was the number of applications ! 
4 applications per year for 13 years !   

    The reason why there is no CCW in Hawaii is because THERE IS NO DEMAND FOR IT !

    I could totally see their defense in this issue.
"You want a CCW permit ?
Well gee, there's almost a million guns in Hawaii and you're the only one asking for a CCW.
What makes you so special ?   
   
    I must confess that am "Part of the Problem" as my CCW application has been sitting on the desk top screen of my computer since September 10, 2011.   
   
    I am currently getting more info regarding the actual application process to perhaps "file in bulk".
I'm sure there is someone in our group that is or knows a Notary.
    Imagine a news story showing someone dropping off HUNDREDS of completed and notarized CCW applications at the COP's office !
    Maybe FFL dealers could even hand out the CCW application to gun buyers before they go to HPD and  they could hand it in then.

    C'mon folks.
Lets make a true effort to get our CCW's in and make Hawaii politicians see the demand and our voting numbers.   

    For those long in tooth, it's like the drive in.
"You won't get any if you don't ask for it"

1. I'd like to know who, and under what special conditions and circumstances those three permits were issued. Of course that is private information, but perhaps the generic circumstances without the names could be released, though I doubt it.

2. If it's a well-known fact that no CCW permits are issued, why would anyone apply, except to begin a legal record for taking legal action?

3. My current plan is to wait for the Baker decision to see what that decision is, and what specific language is used in whatever decision the court hands down. I will then use that language in my CCW application. I already have a rough draft/outline using language from Heller, McDonald, and Moore v. Madigan as to why I ought to be issued a CCW according to the current court interpretations of the Second Amendment. (Also including the murders, home invasions, assaults, robberies, and burglaries within two miles of my home... welcome to Puna!).The Young case might also provide some useful information. Of course no matter what I write and how up-to-date it is with language from SCOTUS and Circuit Court decisions it's likely they'll deny my application with no comment. As we see with Illinois, even when the Court gave the state a very limited amount of time to enact a "shall issue" law, they got an extension, and then included costly and time consuming training, application procedures, etc.as "conditions" to exercise your "shall issue" right, and I'd expect no less from our wise legislators here in Hawaii. I expect they already have a rough draft of the delay-delay-delay-and-make-ludicrously-complex-and-costly "shall issue" plan of action should the courts order them (and I'm not too hopeful of that happening in the near future) to enact something that would actually restore the Second Amendment in Hawaii to some meaningful law that respects the intent of the Constitution. That's the last thing the legislators around here want to see.

I'm curious to see what others have to say.

The only people I've read about receiving approval for Hawaii CCW permits are friends of the police chief (political contacts) and former LEO.

As for the number applying, it's the proverbial self-licking ice cream cone:

  - Convince people it's a waste of time to apply by denying all applications

  - Justify your application policy by pointing to the low number of people applying


I'm all for a 2A Rally for Constitutional Carry. 

  -  Have a photographer on site to take the passport pics
  -  Have the forms, examples of justification statements, and any other needed materials available
  -  Invite the press (Civil Beat seems more balanced than most news outlets here).
  -  Invite the Mayor to stop by for a photo op
  -  Create visual aids and picket signs with factual CCW stats and impacts
  -  Drive home the fact that people with CCW permits:
      --  have passed numerous background checks
      --  are not convicted criminals
      --  have passed firearm safety and proficiency requirements
      --  are normal, everyday people who follow the laws

Publicize the number of applications submitted, and then follow up with the number of permits approved and rejected.


If nothing else, it would bring the topic to light, allowing the public to see the truth about Hawaii's failure to follow our own permit process. 
If all applications are denied, then the permit law, for all intents and purposes, does not exist.

Chris tried to get people to apply for their ccp before or around the time he filed the/his lawsuit. There is a link floating around here somewhere he did that goes through the application process. What answers to put, what documentation you need, etc, etc. Then when you get your denial letter, he asked for a copy for evidence for court. I'm not sure how many letters he received, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was different from the link you posted.

Always make sure to remember the source you are getting your information from. Everyone knows Hawaii is anti firearm, from the chief of police to the politicians, as well as others. I'm fairly certain that list came from the attorney generals office, and why would they be pro firearm in this state and how long do you think they would last with that stance.

Also I believe if you read through the baker case on here, they tried to use the argument that only 4 people applied. The judge questioned why baker was declined, and if he's a bailbondsman and doesn't qualify, who would?  And perhaps that's why there is such low recruitment. Or it want something like that. Look it up and read it for yourself.

I did mine and got rejected on the Big Island.

Don't know about legality, but how about an empty holster campaign? I can't remember where I read about it, but recall pistol owners would wear empty holsters at get togethers at BBQ in public parks and such.

The only people I've read about receiving approval for Hawaii CCW permits are friends of the police chief (political contacts) and former LEO.

As for the number applying, it's the proverbial self-licking ice cream cone:

  - Convince people it's a waste of time to apply by denying all applications

  - Justify your application policy by pointing to the low number of people applying


I'm all for a 2A Rally for Constitutional Carry. 

  -  Have a photographer on site to take the passport pics
  -  Have the forms, examples of justification statements, and any other needed materials available
  -  Invite the press (Civil Beat seems more balanced than most news outlets here).
  -  Invite the Mayor to stop by for a photo op
  -  Create visual aids and picket signs with factual CCW stats and impacts
  -  Drive home the fact that people with CCW permits:
      --  have passed numerous background checks
      --  are not convicted criminals
      --  have passed firearm safety and proficiency requirements
      --  are normal, everyday people who follow the laws

Publicize the number of applications submitted, and then follow up with the number of permits approved and rejected.


If nothing else, it would bring the topic to light, allowing the public to see the truth about Hawaii's failure to follow our own permit process. 
If all applications are denied, then the permit law, for all intents and purposes, does not exist.

I'm all for a 2A Rally for Constitutional Carry
That's just what I'm talking about !

And willing to help make it happen.

Chris tried to get people to apply for their ccp before or around the time he filed the/his lawsuit. There is a link floating around here somewhere he did that goes through the application process. What answers to put, what documentation you need, etc, etc. Then when you get your denial letter, he asked for a copy for evidence for court. I'm not sure how many letters he received, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was different from the link you posted.

Always make sure to remember the source you are getting your information from. Everyone knows Hawaii is anti firearm, from the chief of police to the politicians, as well as others. I'm fairly certain that list came from the attorney generals office, and why would they be pro firearm in this state and how long do you think they would last with that stance.

Also I believe if you read through the baker case on here, they tried to use the argument that only 4 people applied. The judge questioned why baker was declined, and if he's a bailbondsman and doesn't qualify, who would?  And perhaps that's why there is such low recruitment. Or it want something like that. Look it up and read it for yourself.

This is info and links I received 2 years ago from  Chris
http://hawaiiccw.com/news/ccw-permits-action-required/

http://hawaiiccw.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CCW-Request-Guide.pdf
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z5DXlx5mM-1B6CNdFJgTK7nKRGPSxXJfEGncrp2RiP0/edit?hl=en&pli=1#

Application (Big Isle) can be found here
http://hawaiiccw.com/hawaii-gun-firearm-laws/hawaii-county-application-license-carry-firearms-weapons/

I'm not going to say the numbers are much higher than reported, but I know for a *fact* that in 2011, more people applied than they reported.  This is because I personally know the people who applied and I have seen their denial letters.  In the responses to some of our arguments, the HPD major lies so many time in the damn federal court papers I can't believe it.  Specifically, they said "no other process server has applied."  Well, that is funny, because my boss, who is a process server, applied the same day I did.  He went with me for christ sake!  I helped him write his narrative, so I know we identified him as a process server too lol!   A lot of the civilian servers are also ex-sheriff so they get to carry anyways...

Not to mention that:
1.) HPD Grills you consistently when you ask to apply.
2.) They initially refused to even find the forms when I tried to apply the first time;
3.) Other islands have a variety of requirements that they don't list;
4.) many forms are unavailable, or they play the "You need to go to xxxx." type games (i.e. with proof of training provided).

I'm not going to say the numbers are much higher than reported, but I know for a *fact* that in 2011, more people applied than they reported.  This is because I personally know the people who applied and I have seen their denial letters.  In the responses to some of our arguments, the HPD major lies so many time in the damn federal court papers I can't believe it.  Specifically, they said "no other process server has applied."  Well, that is funny, because my boss, who is a process server, applied the same day I did.  He went with me for christ sake!  I helped him write his narrative, so I know we identified him as a process server too lol!   A lot of the civilian servers are also ex-sheriff so they get to carry anyways...

Not to mention that:
1.) HPD Grills you consistently when you ask to apply.
2.) They initially refused to even find the forms when I tried to apply the first time;
3.) Other islands have a variety of requirements that they don't list;
4.) many forms are unavailable, or they play the "You need to go to xxxx." type games (i.e. with proof of training provided).

Ironically (maybe not) 2011 is the only year I could not find the stats for.
Would probably have to go directly to AG.
  If they specifically  said "no other process server has applied."  under oath in court testimony and you have the denial letter t o prove they did, isn't  that contempt of court ?
 Can't forms docs be obtained via FOIA ?

The only people I've read about receiving approval for Hawaii CCW permits are friends of the police chief (political contacts) and former LEO.

As for the number applying, it's the proverbial self-licking ice cream cone:

  - Convince people it's a waste of time to apply by denying all applications

  - Justify your application policy by pointing to the low number of people applying


I'm all for a 2A Rally for Constitutional Carry. 

  -  Have a photographer on site to take the passport pics
  -  Have the forms, examples of justification statements, and any other needed materials available
  -  Invite the press (Civil Beat seems more balanced than most news outlets here).
  -  Invite the Mayor to stop by for a photo op
  -  Create visual aids and picket signs with factual CCW stats and impacts
  -  Drive home the fact that people with CCW permits:
      --  have passed numerous background checks
      --  are not convicted criminals
      --  have passed firearm safety and proficiency requirements
      --  are normal, everyday people who follow the laws

Publicize the number of applications submitted, and then follow up with the number of permits approved and rejected.


If nothing else, it would bring the topic to light, allowing the public to see the truth about Hawaii's failure to follow our own permit process. 
If all applications are denied, then the permit law, for all intents and purposes, does not exist.

Let's do this!

Someone set a date.

Maybe in sometime in January? It gives folks enough time to plan ahead. We could even put some kind of sign up list so we know who's going and what kind of numbers to expect.

Yeah we need to have enough time to announce and communicate it to people what the gathering is about.

Last time, it got called on a weekday and not a lot of people were able to show up. The best one was that one held on a Sunday.

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Q, JI, JD and DnJ@T

 I do not have a CCW. "But what I do have is a unique set of skills" and the time to use them.
Would be happy be co-ordinate

    I see in past events, my dear HICARRY acted as HRA rep
Need reps from MPPL, IPSC and 2a to get notice to members of those groups as well as to make sure we don't overlap events (or we combine events with permission)

    CindyRichelle  seems to be an organizer as well.
Are you out there CIindy ?

    Saturday Jan 4 too soon after Christmas and New years, still hung over/Family

Saturday Jan 11,18, 25 or Feb 1 ?
Really need to know EXACTLY what is required and get the docs first before we set a date.

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You go, Hawaii !

Make your leaders followers.... which is what they're supposed to be,

Terry (off-island mainland pain in the ass), 230RN

From what I know:

- Passport photo, though not sure of the quantity.
- ID
- Letter detailing the reasons behind needing a CCW

Q.
Please my posts  9 above yours  then Chris’s response which follows
In my post, there is as link to the Big Isle application as well as Chris’s other info. This infers that there is an application form similar to BI's

You go, Hawaii !

Make your leaders followers.... which is what they're supposed to be,

Terry (off-island mainland pain in the ass), 230RN

Mahalo for your support Terry.
                                                           
As for all of you "off Island" 2a friends, when you think of supporting us, think RECIPROCITY.