Why Hawaii does not have CCW. (Read 17779 times)

Rocky

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2013, 03:19:03 PM »
The Following Items are Required when applying:
 (2) Passport Photos  Information for Firearm (Bring Registration)  Narrative (see below)
 $19.25 (only if you have never paid for a set of fingerprints – this commonly applies to military)

Not sure if the fingerprint from Gun registartion counts,?
Anybody ?

I also remember seeing a $10.00 CCW application fee somewhere.

A blank narrative is included in the packet. Please fill this narrative out with the appropriate information and include this with your application for a concealed carry permit. This narrative is demanded by the police department, but is not required by statute.

1) General Background: Briefly describe yourself. Items such as your age, sex, citizenship status (e.g., United States citizen), employment status, and employer are all good pieces of information to include.

2) Demonstration of Moral Character: Just like it sounds. Provide any information that could convince a reasonable person that it would be safe for you to carry a firearm. Items to consider are if you are registered to vote, any prior or pending convictions, if you possess a clear criminal background (if not, please ensure that you meet the minimum requirements as set forth in Hawaii Revised Statute §134-9 Licenses to Carry – see attached), any national or local organizations that you are a member of, and any community outreach or volunteering that you are currently involved in.

3) Qualifications to Possess and Carry: As long as you have done so and can provide the documentation, state that you have met all of the training requirements of §134-2 Permits to Acquire – see attached. This is all that is required; however, feel free to provide any additional information to include any prior military or law enforcement experience, any firearms training courses that you have attended, and if you currently possess a valid Concealed Carry permit from another state.

4) Reason(s) for Request: The Supreme Court of the United States of America has determined that the right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense is applicable to the states. As such, if you choose, you may simply list “Self Defense” in this portion of the application. However, be aware that, currently, Hawaiian Law requires applicants to show reason to fear injury to their person or property. A few examples could be “I had someone threaten me,” “I have been assaulted," or "I am a Domestic Violence victim," (more information than that is not required, but may aid in your application being approved).
 The right to keep and bear arms was also determined to be a fundamental constitutional right, putting it on par with the freedom of speech and religion. Therefore, citizens of our state should be authorized to exercise this right, safely and responsibly in all non-sensitive places

“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2013, 03:19:40 PM »
If we need to present ID when applying, then the rally will need to be during HPD business hours.

"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2013, 03:24:13 PM »
The Following Items are Required when applying:
 (2) Passport Photos  Information for Firearm (Bring Registration)  Narrative (see below)
 $19.25 (only if you have never paid for a set of fingerprints – this commonly applies to military)

Not sure if the fingerprint from Gun registartion counts,?
Anybody ?

I also remember seeing a $10.00 CCW application fee somewhere.

A blank narrative is included in the packet. Please fill this narrative out with the appropriate information and include this with your application for a concealed carry permit. This narrative is demanded by the police department, but is not required by statute.

1) General Background: Briefly describe yourself. Items such as your age, sex, citizenship status (e.g., United States citizen), employment status, and employer are all good pieces of information to include.

2) Demonstration of Moral Character: Just like it sounds. Provide any information that could convince a reasonable person that it would be safe for you to carry a firearm. Items to consider are if you are registered to vote, any prior or pending convictions, if you possess a clear criminal background (if not, please ensure that you meet the minimum requirements as set forth in Hawaii Revised Statute §134-9 Licenses to Carry – see attached), any national or local organizations that you are a member of, and any community outreach or volunteering that you are currently involved in.

3) Qualifications to Possess and Carry: As long as you have done so and can provide the documentation, state that you have met all of the training requirements of §134-2 Permits to Acquire – see attached. This is all that is required; however, feel free to provide any additional information to include any prior military or law enforcement experience, any firearms training courses that you have attended, and if you currently possess a valid Concealed Carry permit from another state.

4) Reason(s) for Request: The Supreme Court of the United States of America has determined that the right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense is applicable to the states. As such, if you choose, you may simply list “Self Defense” in this portion of the application. However, be aware that, currently, Hawaiian Law requires applicants to show reason to fear injury to their person or property. A few examples could be “I had someone threaten me,” “I have been assaulted," or "I am a Domestic Violence victim," (more information than that is not required, but may aid in your application being approved).
 The right to keep and bear arms was also determined to be a fundamental constitutional right, putting it on par with the freedom of speech and religion. Therefore, citizens of our state should be authorized to exercise this right, safely and responsibly in all non-sensitive places

A fee of $10 shall be charged for each license and shall be deposited in the treasury of the county in which the license is granted. 

That only applies for the license when actually granted.  No fee for the application itself.

And the fingerprinting is now $16.50, not $19.25.  That's a change from over a year ago.
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

Rocky

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2013, 03:32:22 PM »
Does the fingerprint from Gun registartion count?
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Rocky

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2013, 03:35:54 PM »
If we need to present ID when applying, then the rally will need to be during HPD business hours.

How about a permit to assemble at the stepsof HPD ?
What we want is exposure !

We would also want to gun stores / FFL maybe even military to inform all gun purchasers/registerers that we will be taking over HPD Firearm line that day and to please skip going down there that day.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Rocky

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2013, 03:46:50 PM »
Narrative


Louis M. Kealoha
Chief of Police
Honolulu Police Department
801 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813

Dear Chief Kealoha:
   This letter is a request for a permit to carry in accordance with Hawaii Revised Statute §134-9 Licenses to carry. In this letter I will express to you my qualifications, suitability, and need to carry for self defense.

1.) General Background –
   I am a 57 year old male U.S Citizen and Hawaii resident since 1981.
I have worked primarily in the health care field as well as several years in the Real Estate Industry as a licensed Realtor.
In 1988, I married the women I have been with since 1981.

2.) Demonstration of Morale Character –
   In the past, I have been an active member of the community as an American Youth Soccer Organization Coach, Referee and have served as it’s Regional Commissioner.
   I have been a licensed CPR and First Aid Instructor and have taught classes to the community at no charge other than the Documentation fees required by the American Red Cross.
To date, I have performed CPR four times. Twice in my own neighborhood for drowning victims, once on an airplane and once for my own mother.
   I am an active member of the "Hawaii Friends of the Library"  and volunteer at our local Library at least twice a month, A SHOPO Supporter and  a registered voter who utilizes this right as often as available.
I have never been convicted of a crime and am of sound mind, character and soul.

3.) Qualifications to Possess and Carry –
   I was raised in Wisconsin where Firearms and hunting are part of the lifestyle of the region and I acquired my first firearm from my parents at the age of 14 as most young men do in “that particular neck of the wood’s”. As many of us were taken on our first hunting trips with our fathers, uncles and grand fathers, proper firearm safety and etiquette was of the utmost importance.
   As required by Hawaii State Law, I have completed all of the training requirements of §134-2 Permits to Acquire and attend additional L.I.F.E and HRA firearm safety and technique courses with Licensed NRA Instructors whenever possible. I have owned my personal firearm for 3 yrs and train regularily.
I am also a member of the HRA and NRA   

4.) Reasons for Request –
   I have been attacked and assaulted in my own yard by a stranger and on another occasion while entertaining guests, had a  stranger apparently under the influence) stumble into my yard and belligerently refuse to leave. The Police were summoned, but it took them over 30 minutes to arrive and another 30 minutes to negotiate and remove this person from my premises.
   If this person would have become violent and attacked my guests, family or myself, 30 minutes is definitely too long a period of time to wait for assistance.
   With the increase of drug use and violent crime in Hawaii, I feel compelled to have at my disposal, the means necessary to protect myself and my family.

   Based on the previously mentioned information, I am therefore requesting that you issue me a permit to carry, whereby in a case of extreme emergency, I am afforded the opportunity to defend myself, family or others from impending danger, serious bodily harm or death. I wish to exercise my constitutional right as per the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution.
to include the right to carry a fire arm upon my person.
Sincerely,
      Johnny B. Goode
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

SOLEsource684

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2013, 05:45:34 PM »
1. I'd like to know who, and under what special conditions and circumstances those three permits were issued. Of course that is private information, but perhaps the generic circumstances without the names could be released, though I doubt it.

2. If it's a well-known fact that no CCW permits are issued, why would anyone apply, except to begin a legal record for taking legal action?

3. My current plan is to wait for the Baker decision to see what that decision is, and what specific language is used in whatever decision the court hands down. I will then use that language in my CCW application. I already have a rough draft/outline using language from Heller, McDonald, and Moore v. Madigan as to why I ought to be issued a CCW according to the current court interpretations of the Second Amendment. (Also including the murders, home invasions, assaults, robberies, and burglaries within two miles of my home... welcome to Puna!).The Young case might also provide some useful information. Of course no matter what I write and how up-to-date it is with language from SCOTUS and Circuit Court decisions it's likely they'll deny my application with no comment. As we see with Illinois, even when the Court gave the state a very limited amount of time to enact a "shall issue" law, they got an extension, and then included costly and time consuming training, application procedures, etc.as "conditions" to exercise your "shall issue" right, and I'd expect no less from our wise legislators here in Hawaii. I expect they already have a rough draft of the delay-delay-delay-and-make-ludicrously-complex-and-costly "shall issue" plan of action should the courts order them (and I'm not too hopeful of that happening in the near future) to enact something that would actually restore the Second Amendment in Hawaii to some meaningful law that respects the intent of the Constitution. That's the last thing the legislators around here want to see.

I'm curious to see what others have to say.

I live in Hilo but I work all around East Hawaii. Took a work related drive out to Eden Roc,

punaperson

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2013, 07:02:19 AM »
I live in Hilo but I work all around East Hawaii. Took a work related drive out to Eden Roc,
I live in the adjoining subdivision (50 burglaries in 80 days earlier this year... commenced shortly after the guys that were responsible for the last rash of burglaries were released on the public...I mean, er, paroled...) to Eden Roc (hey, the guy only escaped from a mental institution FOUR YEARS ago, and traveled from Oahu to the Big Island...I guess since he only murders with a knife he wouldn't be on any airline or TSA flight risk list.).

My girlfriend and I live two blocks apart. If you draw a straight line between her place and mine it goes right through the property where the home invasion with the pistol-whipping took place (I gotta take a photo of their new front gate and fence and post it). But neither of us are allowed to carry a firearm to defend ourselves should we be confronted by one of many fine local criminals upon returning to our homes (both of which have been burglarized on multiple occasions).  :shaka:

HiCarry

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2013, 09:43:11 AM »
Yeah we need to have enough time to announce and communicate it to people what the gathering is about.

Last time, it got called on a weekday and not a lot of people were able to show up. The best one was that one held on a Sunday.

If you are talking about setting a date for a gathering, January or after would be better lest it get drowned out in the holiday madness.

If you are talking about a mass CCW application I would suggest that you get as many folks as possible to apply before year end so those numbers can be reflected in the yearly AG's report for 2013. I would also suggest that someone, independent of HPD/the AG, gather the names of everyone who applied so that any discrepancies in the report issued by the AG can be easily refuted.

Just my two cents worth....

SOLEsource684

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2013, 11:11:53 AM »
I work in the Mental Health field and there have been instances where I have had to provide crisis intervention in situations and police are not present and calling them would be impossible due to the horrible reception in areas on the Big Island. I will be applying for my CCW and see how it goes from there.

Fingers Crossed 2AHawaii! But I'll more than likely be denied.  :shaka:

punaperson

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2013, 11:53:25 AM »
I work in the Mental Health field and there have been instances where I have had to provide crisis intervention in situations and police are not present and calling them would be impossible due to the horrible reception in areas on the Big Island. I will be applying for my CCW and see how it goes from there.

Fingers Crossed 2AHawaii! But I'll more than likely be denied.  :shaka:
I'm also on the Big Island and I'd appreciate you letting us know the details of your application (who you spoke to, what forms they gave you, any comments or attitudes, etc.) and how it goes. Thanks.  :shaka:

Haoleb

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2013, 05:10:17 PM »
When I dropped off my forms I found online at the Kona PD the clerks that deal with the firearms reg and records were not even aware of any such form. The only one they have ever seen is the one you fill out if you are retired LEO. They had my forms sent to the chief and a little later I got my denial back. Here is the denial letter I got back. Perhaps your best bet is directly contact the person who's information is on the letter.


sworbeyegib

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2013, 12:24:42 AM »
This may just be rumor and talk being thrown around, but I've heard this from a few people.

One of the reasons why more people are not applying for Hawaii CCWs is because that you will likely will be denied.  If you later moved and/or apply for a CCW in another state, you may be asked if you have ever been denied a CCW permit in the past.  You then have to take extra steps to explain and show proof why you were denied your permit in Hawaii, to a state that may not be familiar with our very stringent "may issue" law.  All they will see is that you applied, and for whatever reason were declined previously, which may or may not hinder getting your permit in another state.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Q

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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2013, 01:04:19 AM »
This may just be rumor and talk being thrown around, but I've heard this from a few people.

One of the reasons why more people are not applying for Hawaii CCWs is because that you will likely will be denied.  If you later moved and/or apply for a CCW in another state, you may be asked if you have ever been denied a CCW permit in the past.  You then have to take extra steps to explain and show proof why you were denied your permit in Hawaii, to a state that may not be familiar with our very stringent "may issue" law.  All they will see is that you applied, and for whatever reason were declined previously, which may or may not hinder getting your permit in another state.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

In that case, a copy of the denial letter/s ought to be sufficient to demonstrate you merely failed to meet the "exceptional case" criteria.  You were not deemed unfit to carry a concealed firearm.
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

monster796

Re: Why Hawaii does not have CCW.
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2013, 06:13:21 AM »
Hello all,

Why don’t we assemble peacefully just outside of various military bases. If we have a good amount of folks with signs stating: Honor the 2nd amendment , Support and defend the Constitution, Remember your oath, Protect your family, Hawaii gun laws Unconstitutional, ect maybe just maybe can we get some folks to say hmmmm lets sign up and help out our fellow Americans. I’m just so freaking tired of these Un-American communist folks and their unconstitutional laws. I leave the island Nov 2015 and don’t want folks to deal with this blatant disregard for self defense rights in the future.
 :)
-Rico