Dear Mr. Knudsen,

I know you are monitoring this forum so this message is directed at you.
I saw a Twitter message that you sent showing some rifle shooters pointing rifles upwards.
I can only surmise that you think that this is a dangerous action and should be prohibited.
You should educate yourself before spouting fear-mongering messages. In fact you should apologize to the gentlemen that you photographed.

Herewith is a link to see a clip of the 2011 ISSF Rifle finals in Sydney, Australia. (There are many other videos like this)
This is like a warm up competition for the Olympics. These are some of the finest rifle shooters in the world, bar none.


If you do not want to watch the entire video clip, there are some screenshots from that match attached showing the normal acceptable method
of preparing to fire a shot. ..
Please observe that the finest rifle shooters in the world DO point their rifles upwards too.

Yours Truly,

The "Oldfart"
Former 4-position rifle and USPSA competitor
NRA Endowment, HRA, Hawaii Historic Arms Association

Dear Mr. Knudsen,

I know you are monitoring this forum so this message is directed at you.
I saw a Twitter message that you sent showing some rifle shooters pointing rifles upwards.
I can only surmise that you think that this is a dangerous action and should be prohibited.
You should educate yourself before spouting fear-mongering messages. In fact you should apologize to the gentlemen that you photographed.

Herewith is a link to see a clip of the 2011 ISSF Rifle finals in Sydney, Australia. (There are many other videos like this)
This is like a warm up competition for the Olympics. These are some of the finest rifle shooters in the world, bar none.


If you do not want to watch the entire video clip, there are some screenshots from that match attached showing the normal acceptable method
of preparing to fire a shot. ..
Please observe that the finest rifle shooters in the world DO point their rifles upwards too.

Yours Truly,

The "Oldfart"
Former 4-position rifle and USPSA competitor
NRA Endowment, HRA, Hawaii Historic Arms Association

bravo!
i am sure his email is public
or you could tweet it to him

@gerGnesdunK: Some deny negligent discharges at Koko Head can send bullets over crater to hit homes. (High Aim 2 of 2). http://t.co/ZnRaYIDGCj - from his Twitter feed.


It's pretty clear to me everyone what his intentions were.  So if it were up to me I'd sue him for slander.

slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications. (See: defamation, fair comment)

It may or may or may not stick in the end. 

@gerGnesdunK: Some deny negligent discharges at Koko Head can send bullets over crater to hit homes. (High Aim 2 of 2). http://t.co/ZnRaYIDGCj - from his Twitter feed.


It's pretty clear to me everyone what his intentions were.  So if it were up to me I'd sue him for slander.

slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications. (See: defamation, fair comment)

It may or may or may not stick in the end.

Definitely slander and taking and posting a pic of the person  that may not even given him the permission to.

taking and posting a pic of the person  that may not even given him the permission to.

i think that's why he digitized out the faces

anyone have video of a service rifle match showing that grip on an M4/AR?

i think that's why he digitized out the faces

anyone have video of a service rifle match showing that grip on an M4/AR?

youtube is our friend:

youtube is our friend:

wow, nice find
i may go to the mayor's town hall and show our friend

He was taking pictures in public, there is no expectation of privacy in a public space therefore he can take whatever pictures he wants with or without permission of the subject.

I live on the BI and KHSC closure does not affect me whatsoever but this guy seems like a real twat. If you are reading this, You can quote me... You ARE A NITWIT!!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it greggy boy. His high aim photos are about the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Were they shooting at that point of aim. Unlikely. Why don't you get a video you moron if that is your argument. You may not like guns and you may think anyone who owns a gun is a crazed murderer. This is not the case. You may not want the shooting range in your relative back yard. Do something about it. MOVE. You know what?  I hate living in hawaii for many reasons. Guess what I am leaving!!! And I will NEVER come back/. You would probably get alot more enjoyment out of life if you focus on your own enjoyment and stop trying to stomp on the enjoyment of others!

He could sell his house and move to another part of Hawaii Kai.

He was taking pictures in public, there is no expectation of privacy in a public space therefore he can take whatever pictures he wants with or without permission of the subject.
Correct. Unless done for monetary gain.

I don't understand why this jackass doesn't just move if he doesn't like where he lives.  It's not like anyone is forcing him to live some place which has something he doesn't like.  Its like someone moving next to a railroad track and suddenly starts to alert the media that he doesn't like the sound of the horns or the sound of the train. 

I don't understand why this jackass doesn't just move if he doesn't like where he lives.  It's not like anyone is forcing him to live some place which has something he doesn't like.  Its like someone moving next to a railroad track and suddenly starts to alert the media that he doesn't like the sound of the horns or the sound of the train.

 

He was taking pictures in public, there is no expectation of privacy in a public space therefore he can take whatever pictures he wants with or without permission of the subject.

True, but it's what he implies in his tweet that'll  make him the potential subject of a  lawsuit.

He was taking pictures in public, there is no expectation of privacy in a public space therefore he can take whatever pictures he wants with or without permission of the subject.
That is true. But he can't post them or publish them on any type of public media without permission.

Like I said, there is no expectation of privacy in a public space. He can post them anywhere he wants. Just like people in tabloids or youtube etc...

Not defending the guy, he's still a moron. But the 1st amendment is just as important to me as the 2nd 

Like I said, there is no expectation of privacy in a public space. He can post them anywhere he wants. Just like people in tabloids or youtube etc...

Not defending the guy, he's still a moron. But the 1st amendment is just as important to me as the 2nd 

He can post pics he takes in public anywhere without the subjects' permission IF it is newsworthy and covered under the 1stA.

If that doesn't apply, he can NOT post wherever he wants.  If the subject objects to the MESSAGE their image is associated with (unsafe shooting, anti-gun sentiment, etc.), then the poster can be sued.

He could sell his house and move to another part of Hawaii Kai.

'Less I'm missin' something, the range was there waaaay before Queens Gate was built. Kinda like buying a place near the Airport and then grousing about the noise.
By the way there's probably bullets all over the area from WWII training. Probably 30 cal 150 grain as that was the caliber of the day
Got to wonder if he paid some kid to fly one through the window with a slingshot. Crude, but effective.

Are the shooters in the pictures identifiable?  If not, there is no need for a release form.

Are the shooters in the pictures identifiable?  If not, there is no need for a release form.

Only need a release form if they are used for commercial purposes. Anyone may take whatever photos they want in public places where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy for editorial purposes. Since the person is not readily identifiable it's moot anyway. That doesn't change the fact that his actions are misrepresentative.

That said, he seems pretty unethical and is abusing his position of public trust to pursue a private agenda.

Only need a release form if they are used for commercial purposes. Anyone may take whatever photos they want in public places where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy for editorial purposes. Since the person is not readily identifiable it's moot anyway. That doesn't change the fact that his actions are misrepresentative.

That said, he seems pretty unethical and is abusing his position of public trust to pursue a private agenda.

Doesn't have to be commercial.  For example, if someone uses a pic they took of you in public as part of a political ad, and you didn't sign a release, they are liable and have to remove your image from the ad or stop running it.

I know the two shooters practicing for service rifle matches. One is a retired Marine distinguished rifleman and the other is still serving. The actions exhibited by Greg show more concern to shutter the range than to improve it. His narration on the pics he shows is evident that he is reading this thread. I think the neighborhood board has more to worry about such as dumping their unwanted sludge in Waianae. Any shooters from Waianae? I'm sure all those local Hawaii Kai businesses would love to hear how less I will frequent them for food and other items when I visit the range. I always make a habit to visit some local eateries around the HK area. Other shooters do the same?

I love Hawaii Kai not only for the range but its a nice neighborhood. I respect it. Did I mention I was looking for a place there?