With a fixed magazine it should be.

With regards to what the OP stated no it wouldn't be as I don't own lowers with a fixed magazine.

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i have seen these mythical creatures right here at our beloved range... the mag does not release it is perminently afixed.... annnndddd gooo!

what happens when you build it from a lower which was never regged as a rifle?  the topic of  these guns never came up in the pistol course I took.  Figured that nfa rules for Short-barreled rifle applied to Hawaii.  no stock=not a rifle. 

Oooh.  Try and buld one and take it to HPD and see what they say.  That should settle it for everyone 

i have seen these mythical creatures right here at our beloved range... the mag does not release it is perminently afixed.... annnndddd gooo!

How does one load ammo on that thing?

How does one load ammo on that thing?

upper tilts just like on a regular ar
then you press the rounds into the mags from the top

next time there's a dirtyl/noscade range day, you have to check it out

Probably the same way you load a bolt action with fixed box mags if I had to guess

i have seen these mythical creatures right here at our beloved range... the mag does not release it is perminently afixed.... annnndddd gooo!

That was a fun day! Even though somebody walked away with a fat lip. 

That was a fun day! Even though somebody walked away with a fat lip. 

it's funny to think that one range day brought us to the point we are at now
pau hanas, swap meat, hdf range days, khsc cleanup
all began with a fat lip...

i have seen these mythical creatures right here at our beloved range... the mag does not release it is perminently afixed.... annnndddd gooo!

So it's legal to have an ar pistol as long as the mag is welded to the lower? Does the 10rd limit still apply or is that mag in the picture blocked?

They aren't legal in Hawaii, you wont be able to register it, you will be denied at the counter and you will also get few more surprises while you are there.

Someone posted the hrs the page before. As long as it does not have 2 things on the list its legit.

Federal law "GCA of 68" pertain to rifle, handgun, "NFA  of 32"
Once a rifle always a rifle. Definition of a "rifle" as defined by federal laws, a firearm meant to be fired from a shoulder with a shoulder stock.
A "handgun" by federal laws means a firearm meant to fired with one hand.

A stock can be added to a handgun to become a NFA SBR. Or adding a 16" barrel turns it into a title 1 rifle.
Again this is all federal laws under USC chapter 14.

Thus one cannot just place a short barrel on a rifle receiver. However one can assemble a "handgun" from an virgin receiver that never had a stock installed yes even under HRS its legal.

I personally had registered several AR "pistols" under HRS in hawaii a few years back. I can swap uppers on my ar pistols but not my rifles.

So it's legal to have an ar pistol as long as the mag is welded to the lower? Does the 10rd limit still apply or is that mag in the picture blocked?

10 rd limits only "detachable magazine" as defined under HRS134-8

Firearms are not limited by ammunition. Thus a firearm such as a Henry rifle has all  its ammunition stored within the rifle.
Same apply to an AR with 32rds all store within the firearm itself since the ammunition device is non detachable.

Woah imagine welding 40 round pmags on. Lol

All AR-15 lowers are required to be registered upon transfer of ownership as a rifle in the same manner as a complete rifle, with the exception of lowers not at least 80% machined.

If you have "a lower which was never regged as a rifle", then you have already broken the law, again as long as it is 80% or more complete. 

If you've decided to break that law, then the rest are negotiable as well, I guess.

 

Negative

On the 4473 there is an "other" box besides rifle or handgun.

Let your FFL know its only a receiver upon completing the 4473.
Then build it as a pistol per HRS.


I had all my handgun AR receivers clearly marked "pistol" by the manufacture. And clearly told the FFL to mark "other".

Someone posted the hrs the page before. As long as it does not have 2 things on the list its legit.

2 things on the list only apply if:

A semiautomatic with a detachable magazine.
Or
A barrel less than 16"
Or
Not a C&R

Bolt action , single shot , non detachable magazine, 16" barrel without stock , C&R
DO NOT APPLY

10 rd limits only "detachable magazine" as defined under HRS134-8

Firearms are not limited by ammunition. Thus a firearm such as a Henry rifle has all  its ammunition stored within the rifle.
Same apply to an AR with 32rds all store within the firearm itself since the ammunition device is non detachable.

Ahhh I see. Thanks for the clarification. 

Oooh.  Try and buld one and take it to HPD and see what they say.  That should settle it for everyone 

Built several , no problems at HPD.

So I can weld a 30 round mag to my lower and build a 30 round pistol ?

When I register lowers, they aren't classified as pistol or longarm, just lowers.  ( longarm permit though )

Wouldn't I need to get a pistol permit for it ? ( i.e. specify serial number, barrel length, make, model etc... )

I would think you need to buy it with a welded mag and pistol upper and go through the premitting process for a pistol.

Can I register it without a pistol permit ? ( longarm permit only )