So I can weld a 30 round mag to my lower and build a 30 round pistol ?

When I register lowers, they aren't classified as pistol or longarm, just lowers.  ( longarm permit though )

Wouldn't I need to get a pistol permit for it ? ( i.e. specify serial number, barrel length, make, model etc... )

I would think you need to buy it with a welded mag and pistol upper and go through the premitting process for a pistol.

Can I register it without a pistol permit ? ( longarm permit only )

Yes, you can weld up the mag and lower, however use aluminum mags as steel mag do not weld up to aluminum lowers.



When you register the receiver, HPD will note on the registration a "receiver only". However , you'd need to wait the 14 days as a pistol permit. The FFL must also file it as a receiver when they get it from the manufacture and report to HPD as a receiver. Make certain the FFL never marks it as a rifle on the 4473.

You can register your receiver first and then assemble it as a pistol at a later date.

No, you'd need a pistol permit for any type of pistol transaction.

When you register the receiver, HPD will note on the registration a "receiver only". However , you'd need to wait the 14 days as a pistol permit. The FFL must also file it as a receiver when they get it from the manufacture and report to HPD as a receiver. Make certain the FFL never marks it as a rifle on the 4473.

Nope that is wrong.

If a AR receiver comes in as a pistol it is marked "Pistol"

It must leave the manufacturer as a Pistol Lower Receiver.  It must be set up as a single shot with a blocked magwell or have pinned in a magazine that can hold no more than 10 rounds.  If you try to snake one past HPD they will come down on you very hard.

They may also hold the completed firearm and have the ATF come down to HPD and check it out to make sure it is legal.

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Sped

Any receiver leaving the manufacture are virgin receivers. Marking are not required for handguns or rifles per BATF under USC chpt 14.
Only the assembler or SOT will determine its fate upon first assembly.
This is per federal laws.

They may also hold the completed firearm and have the ATF come down to HPD and check it out to make sure it is legal.

Had that happen to me before. Waited 2 hours at HPD for the local ATF to come down.
3 agents shows up and checked my home built parts kit.  Took the gun apart and started counting 922 parts too.
I knew all the laws and regs both federal and state. Answered all the questions correctly, registered my home build and out the door in 15min.

I talked with Aldo (ATF) and Suzie (HPD) about this.  So that is where I stand on this.

You should contact them directly and get the wording from them.

HRS134-8 specifically states "detachable magazines".
Without a reasonable  doubt a permanent magazine is non-detachable and 134-8 does not apply.
I have spoken to a bar lawyer about the wording and can state going to court if charges are pressed.
It would be a case law in the books if it went to trail.
My lawyer and I have determined it would likely be dismissed rather than having a case law.

So in the end, no, no one is turning their ARs into pistols now that the range is closed.

So in the end, no, no one is turning their ARs into pistols now that the range is closed.

Yep, unless u want to build one now that the rifle side is closed.

Yep, unless u want to build one now that the rifle side is closed.

By the time the holidays are over, you obtain all the parts, wait two weeks to register it, and assemble it, the rifle range will be open again.

 

So you all telling me that you wouldn't want one of these whether or not the rifle side is open or closed? Put a red dot on it and you can shoot it on the rifle side. 

Built several , no problems at HPD.

How about some photos? 

So you all telling me that you wouldn't want one of these whether or not the rifle side is open or closed? Put a red dot on it and you can shoot it on the rifle side. 

Suka has done some cool conversions for sure.   Impractical for most I think?  For thrills I would go bullseye pistol instead, TC's or XP100 especially the latter as they are getting more rare and collectible. (anyone got one in .223 LMK now ).  If you really want an assault pistol or sbr just going have to move. 

How about some photos?

from suka's post on another tread

I think he was talking about photos of Hawaii registration for these pistols.

Here's a sample of a welded 30rd magazine.
It weighs 50.1 ozs without the mag.
Thinking of taking off the welds and put her on a diet to 49.5 ozs.
Losing the extra oz allows it to have a semiautomatic with detachable magazines.
But now need to block mags to 10rds .

So in the end, no, no one is turning their ARs into pistols now that the range is closed.

I guess not.  Didn't know the rules for ar pistols in Hawaii but its good to have a better idea of what it takes to stay legal now. 

It's not like I'm the only one which didn't know the rules.

sliver = Knudsen?
He's trying to lure us into doing something illegal and then taking pics of it!

who the hell said you should do something illegal?  I asked if anyone was doing the conversion (I didn't know the rules here for it and figured it would be the same as the mainland) and apparently its not legal to do so, so apparently nobody is.  Now at least people which were thinking about doing so know that its something which should not be done and it can save them from getting into a crap load of trouble.  When you read though this thread, it seems a lot of people which have experience with the law (gun shop owners/teachers/builders) have opposing views and its nice to see someone which has actually made a few pistols and has gone thru the process which can help shed some light on what is legal and what is not.   

Here's a sample of a welded 30rd magazine.
It weighs 50.1 ozs without the mag.
Thinking of taking off the welds and put her on a diet to 49.5 ozs.
Losing the extra oz allows it to have a semiautomatic with detachable magazines.
But now need to block mags to 10rds .

Nice. Is that the mpa mini 9mm?

They may also hold the completed firearm and have the ATF come down to HPD and check it out to make sure it is legal.

I wish I would have known that while I was there.  I would have slammed the shit out of that rule.  You don't get to hold my property - no freaking way.