Why do you need and AR15? (Read 29013 times)

Rogue076

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2013, 07:05:29 AM »

Why do you feel the need to derail the point of this thread to bash on AR's?  You must need attention don't you...  Good for you.  You don't like the most popular rifle in America, congrats on being different.  :thumbsup:

Found this.


I had the same exact thought when I first heard they were sending Syria aid, they know exactly what guns are all about in that situation, to fight off a tyrannical government, so they know exactly why they need to take our guns away...

Rogue076

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2013, 07:09:44 AM »
I hate to say this, but don't fall into his trap. You are trying to answer HIS question. But HIS question is one that cannot be answered the way YOU want to answer it. And if you try and answer HIS question you will fail and he will look superior. Let's face it, truth be told, none of us truly NEED an AR-15. The answer to the question is NOT to engage the NEED portion of his question. But to give the answer that 100% of all Americans have. And that is that I OWN an AR-15 because I want one and I can own one or two or ten. I can shoot it better than any other firearm I own because I practice with it weekly. And I believe it is every American's duty to own one as our way of saying shove it up your ASS Piers Morgan and all the LIBERALS in our Federal, State and Local Governments! There is no better way to say shove it than to buy/build another one.

Notice he never answers any of his guests questions directly. So why not do the same? Especially when he designs his questions to work his way and no other way.

Yeah its totally a question to lure you out so he can stump you, hes a talk show host that on a station with an agenda so they know what to say and how to ask things to make their point but I have seen him fail at it quite a few times with people that are very educated and you know he fails cause of exactly what you said, he cant answer his guests directly when they make a great point or stump him on his own question, I find a lot of that when I search "Piers Morgan owned" on youtube haha!

Inspector

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2013, 07:17:27 AM »
I would like to add this to the discussion. For all of those who look down upon the AR-15 I want you to know this. I am not a HUGE fan of the AR-15 platform. I never was. I got into it because I wanted a semi-auto rifle that shoots the same round as my Remy 700 5R. When I heard how accurate they can be if done right I decided I wanted a new project to work on and I purchased a few lowers from X-Ring. I figured after I build and shoot it I could probably sell it to fund the next one. I built my first AR and I have to say it is a damn fine piece of workmanship. It shoots 0.50" MOA to 0.75" MOA all day long at 100yds with my handloads. Only my bolt gun can shoot tighter groups. But now that I have built one, I decided to build a 300 AAC Blackout. Which before the range closure was showing some promise to be a good 200yd hunting rifle. And when time and money permits there might even be a third AR-15 platform in my safe. I am thinking either a 50 Beowolf or a Ruger 204. Or maybe both? I don't know. I have more fun building them and loading for them. But they are not as nice as my bolt guns and will never replace them. But they will sit next to them in my safe.

Also, I shoot most of the time with the Black Powder Shooters on Sundays. And I have to say I now own a Black Powder rifle and pistol and enjoy shooting them often. But on the other hand I have inspired two of them to build their own AR-15's and now they bring them often and shoot them right next to their black powder rifles. One of them is now building a 300 AAC Blackout just as I did. He is like me. Our passion lies elsewhere but the AR-15 platform has its place in our safes

In the meantime the AR-15 platform is what helps bring new shooters into our fold. I and I think it is not a good idea to make fun of those people as they are not only among us (as in our friends, family and 2A Members) but they are also the future of the shooting sports. To alienate them will only divide us shooters up into smaller parts. As one group we are stronger and have a chance at defeating those that want to take away our rights. So make fun of those of us who own AR-15's even tho I am far from a noob. Just remember there may be consequences to what you say. JMHO
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Rogue076

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2013, 07:37:47 AM »
I would like to add this to the discussion. For all of those who look down upon the AR-15 I want you to know this. I am not a HUGE fan of the AR-15 platform. I never was. I got into it because I wanted a semi-auto rifle that shoots the same round as my Remy 700 5R. When I heard how accurate they can be if done right I decided I wanted a new project to work on and I purchased a few lowers from X-Ring. I figured after I build and shoot it I could probably sell it to fund the next one. I built my first AR and I have to say it is a damn fine piece of workmanship. It shoots 0.50" MOA to 0.75" MOA all day long at 100yds with my handloads. Only my bolt gun can shoot tighter groups. But now that I have built one, I decided to build a 300 AAC Blackout. Which before the range closure was showing some promise to be a good 200yd hunting rifle. And when time and money permits there might even be a third AR-15 platform in my safe. I am thinking either a 50 Beowolf or a Ruger 204. Or maybe both? I don't know. I have more fun building them and loading for them. But they are not as nice as my bolt guns and will never replace them. But they will sit next to them in my safe.

Also, I shoot most of the time with the Black Powder Shooters on Sundays. And I have to say I now own a Black Powder rifle and pistol and enjoy shooting them often. But on the other hand I have inspired two of them to build their own AR-15's and now they bring them often and shoot them right next to their black powder rifles. One of them is now building a 300 AAC Blackout just as I did. He is like me. Our passion lies elsewhere but the AR-15 platform has its place in our safes

In the meantime the AR-15 platform is what helps bring new shooters into our fold. I and I think it is not a good idea to make fun of those people as they are not only among us (as in our friends, family and 2A Members) but they are also the future of the shooting sports. To alienate them will only divide us shooters up into smaller parts. As one group we are stronger and have a chance at defeating those that want to take away our rights. So make fun of those of us who own AR-15's even tho I am far from a noob. Just remember there may be consequences to what you say. JMHO

Im a new gun owner, which is what brought me here to get informed, educated and help me be the most responsible gun owner I can be but I guess theres always that "cool kid" anywhere you go with anything you do. For me the AR15 was cheap and its easily customizable for what I want it for, very easy to shoot and handle and just all around a good gun. I think you made a good point about alienating others in the gun community, I think guns and gun owners are under enough scrutiny, we don't need to scrutinize each other....

Rogue076

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2013, 07:38:42 AM »
Great.  Let's just insult other gun owners and establish a stereotype of AR owners.  Everyone does have to start somewhere.  Did you offer some advice/guidance to perhaps help a "noob"?  Bet not.  Not everyone is lucky enough to have proper training.  You probably just watched and laughed to yourself about how there are sooo many "noobs" with AR's and how awesome you are. 

I admit I have seen new AR owners that probably never shot before(seen guys that don't know how to lock the bolt back manually), but instead of judging them, how about you offer some tips of proper shooting technique or safe gun handling?  Most "noobs" are very receptive to advice.

Well said.

edster48

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2013, 08:09:55 AM »
Im a new gun owner, which is what brought me here to get informed, educated and help me be the most responsible gun owner I can be but I guess theres always that "cool kid" anywhere you go with anything you do. For me the AR15 was cheap and its easily customizable for what I want it for, very easy to shoot and handle and just all around a good gun. I think you made a good point about alienating others in the gun community, I think guns and gun owners are under enough scrutiny, we don't need to scrutinize each other....

Apologies, Rogue76. We're being monitored by someone [ he who shall not be named] who has an anti-gun agenda and it has us all in a heightened state of awareness, especially since the range closure. Your question was typical of something "he" would ask. I myself am considered a "newbie" here even though I've been a member since 2010. I've only recently become more involved and the members have been very accepting, and I don't think any of them know what I shoot!
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new guy

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2013, 08:20:37 AM »
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aieahound

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2013, 09:45:52 AM »
Q had the best answer when a girlfriend of his asked why he had so many guns:

Cause in America, that's how we roll.  :geekdanc:

And as for the AR-15 having no soul, there is no gun more American in my opinion. ( Other than maybe a 1911 )
Isn't it the longest running service rifle by a long margin ?

Hunter1007

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2013, 05:54:44 PM »
Why buy a smoke detector and fire extinguisher? Why put on your seat belt? Why buy hurricane food/water? These are all things we prepare for which we hope we will never use for their intended purposes but we do so to safe guard our the lives of ourselves and our loved ones right? The percentages of these things, (house fire, car crash, hurricane) actually happening are relatively low. So what's the big deal about safeguarding ourselves from a riot, lawlessness during a hurricane, or someone wanting to do harm to you and or loved ones?

Sure the true spirit of the Second Ammendment was to keep the government in check but although a posibility, it is exponetially more unlikely than the other situations stated above.

I think the bigger question is why not let me own an AR? As long as I aquire it legally and obey the laws.

Q

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Funtimes

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2013, 06:40:19 PM »
I need an AR-15 because they penetrate less than handguns in the interior of the home (9mm/45).  Because of this, they are safer to discharge and generally less likely to kill someone in adjacent room where I did not intend to discharge the gun.
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Sturmgeschutz

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2013, 07:54:27 PM »
I live in an older neighborhood of single wall T&G homes.... I am very hesitant to let anything off bigger than a slingshot or some angry termites.

AmbuBadger

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2013, 07:21:38 AM »
I'm 5'11" and 195 pounds; my girlfriend is 4'10" and 97 pounds. This is the only rifle that fits both of us. You can't expect to win over some of these people... They have it ingrained in their heads that your personal protection is the responsibility of the police, and why not? Thanks to welfare, Obamacare, EBT, etc., everything is the responsibility of our government.

sworbeyegib

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2013, 09:55:20 AM »
A few facts about gun fights, defending yourself against an aggressor.

You don't get to choose when a gunfight happens.
You don't get to choose where a gunfight happens.
You don't get to choose who you are in a gunfight with.
You don't get to choose how many people you will be in a gun fight with.
You don't get to choose what kind of guns or equipment they will be using.
You don't get to choose what kind of mindset they will be thinking.

You DO get to choose what kind of firearm you can keep at ready.
You DO get to choose whether to put in the proper time training with that firearm.

The factors are almost always stacked against you. The one variable you can control is using the best firearm you can, and knowing how to use it the best you can.

justin1098

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2013, 11:20:02 AM »
I think Q has the winning answer.

"Why do I need an AR-15? Because F*CK YOU...That's why. 'MURICA!"


Rocky

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2013, 11:36:33 AM »
So good I stold it from New Guy..

   :thumbsup:

I have an  AR cuz it's a chick magnet !
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Rogue076

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2013, 05:20:07 PM »
Apologies, Rogue76. We're being monitored by someone [ he who shall not be named] who has an anti-gun agenda and it has us all in a heightened state of awareness, especially since the range closure. Your question was typical of something "he" would ask. I myself am considered a "newbie" here even though I've been a member since 2010. I've only recently become more involved and the members have been very accepting, and I don't think any of them know what I shoot!
We're having a range clean up day on the 29th, come on out if you have the time, and meet these guys, they're a good group and I'm sure you'll learn a lot.

Typical gun owers...blast first, ask questions later! JK! And I'm sure everyone here is pretty cool but theres always someone that wants to be cooler than the other but that's anywhere you go so it doesn't really bother me at all. Thanks for clearing things up though...

Rogue076

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2013, 05:28:26 PM »
1.  Welcome to the forum, Rogue076.

2.  Punctuation is your friend.

3.  If a new member to ANY forum asks a "loaded" question, it is only natural to expect that the question (and by extension, the new forum member) be met with a certain amount of suspicion.

4.  I am not sure what you mean when you say, "its kinda futile to ask these things on a pro gun forum."  This statement, alone, pushes the indicator toward the "more suspicious" side of my internal Bullshit Detector.  Despite the way in which certain politicians and the media try to demonize gun owners, and despite the (mis)perceptions that members of the non-gun owning general public may have, the majority of gun owners are respectful, responsible, intelligent individuals, who can rationally discuss gun-related and non-gun-related issues. As evidenced by the responses from the forum members, thus far, I hope this would have been self-evident.

5.  Amendment II to the Constitution of the United States of America provides that, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  There is a distinction between a "need" and a "right."  What do you think would happen if that same question that pro-gun control proponents are using, were applied to the First Amendment ("Why do you need to have the ability to practice your form of religion?" Or, "Why do you need to have the ability to say or write whatever you want to say or write?"), the Fourth Amendment ("Why do you need to have a right against unreasonable searches and seizures?"), or the Fifth Amendment ("Why do you need to have due process before being deprived of life, liberty, or property?").  It isn't about a "need"... it is all about a "right."

When I said futile I meant that when I'm asking a pro gun forum a question about this kind of thing, I'm definitely gonna get a pro gun answer. The question I asked was kinda meant to be more of a light hearted question, a bash at Piers Morgan if you will, but at the same time it could be taken serisouly because hes obviously using it for an anti gun agenda. It was more or less a hypothetical one, if you were sitting in his show being interviewed, what would you tell him. And I understand and appreciate the distinction between the "need" and the "right" as well as that perspective. This would be a whole other thread but when it comes down to the rights of americans, I feel they are slowly being swept out from under us...

Rogue076

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2013, 05:29:50 PM »
I think Q has the winning answer.

Definitely wouldn't mind giving this answer and picture to Piers Morgan, but then I'm sure he'd use it in a way to discredit the cause....

Rogue076

Re: Why do you need and AR15?
« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2013, 05:31:49 PM »
A few facts about gun fights, defending yourself against an aggressor.

You don't get to choose when a gunfight happens.
You don't get to choose where a gunfight happens.
You don't get to choose who you are in a gunfight with.
You don't get to choose how many people you will be in a gun fight with.
You don't get to choose what kind of guns or equipment they will be using.
You don't get to choose what kind of mindset they will be thinking.

You DO get to choose what kind of firearm you can keep at ready.
You DO get to choose whether to put in the proper time training with that firearm.

The factors are almost always stacked against you. The one variable you can control is using the best firearm you can, and knowing how to use it the best you can.

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