Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol. (Read 8824 times)

suka

Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« on: January 02, 2014, 03:09:01 AM »
I had someone ask me about  putting a threaded barrel on a Glock 17 . I told the person that's not legal in Hawaii, because that would make it an assault pistol due to the Glock 18.

However, other Glock models do not apply, since only the Glock 18 is a full auto version converted from a Glock 17.

 

sliver

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2014, 03:47:30 AM »
it should be fine.


Check out HRS134 here: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/

In particular, the section pertaining to prohibited "Assault Pistols":

"Assault pistol" means a semiautomatic pistol which accepts a detachable magazine and which has two or more of the following characteristics:

     (1)  An ammunition magazine which attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

     (2)  A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer;

     (3)  A shroud which is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and which permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;

     (4)  A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;

     (5)  A centerfire pistol with an overall length of twelve inches or more; or

     (6)  It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;

but does not include a firearm with a barrel sixteen or more inches in length, an antique pistol as defined in this section or a curio or relic as those terms are used in 18 United States Code §921(16) or 27 Code of Federal Regulations 178.11.




suka

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2014, 04:23:29 AM »
Nope

Its a semi automatic that accepts a magazine
And has 2 evil features :
1) a threaded barrel
2) semi version of a full automatic

hdu

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2014, 04:30:36 AM »
Nope

Its a semi automatic that accepts a magazine
And has 2 evil features :
1) a threaded barrel
2) semi version of a full automatic

It's fine
I never seen an auto Glock 17 unless you are referring to  the Glock 18 which is not the same gun.  The Glock 18 was created after the Glock 17 and uses different parts internally.  It may look the alike but it completely different in terms of components and design. 
« Last Edit: January 02, 2014, 04:38:31 AM by hdu »

Kingkeoni

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 04:43:36 AM »
It's fine
I never seen an auto Glock 17 unless you are referring to  the Glock 18 which is not the same gun.  The Glock 18 was created after the Glock 17 and uses different parts internally.  It may look the alike but it completely different in terms of components and design.

Yeah Suka, I don't know who told you that the Glock 18 is the Glock 17 but they're wrong.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=495

There is a device sold that allows you to convert any Glock into a full auto firearm.

You have to buy it then apply for a tax stamp, pay your $200 then wait 11 months to get your tax stamp and pick it up. But only if you live in a free state.

Otherwise threaded barrels on the Glock 17 is just fine.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2014, 04:51:36 AM by Kingkeoni »
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suka

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2014, 07:48:55 AM »
Hmmmm,

So why would a semi Mac10 with threaded barrel be an assualt pistol and not a semi Glock 17 with a threaded barrel. ( if both weighed below 50oz). Mac10 actually weighs 56oz.


Since Both guns internals are different from the full auto version.

Much like an AR15 and M16.
Both internals are completely different but everyone assumes the AR15 is the semi auto version of a M16.

So you can see where I'm coming from.

« Last Edit: January 02, 2014, 07:57:25 AM by suka »

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2014, 10:46:36 AM »
Hmmmm,

So why would a semi Mac10 with threaded barrel be an assualt pistol and not a semi Glock 17 with a threaded barrel. ( if both weighed below 50oz). Mac10 actually weighs 56oz.


Since Both guns internals are different from the full auto version.

Much like an AR15 and M16.
Both internals are completely different but everyone assumes the AR15 is the semi auto version of a M16.

So you can see where I'm coming from.

The Mac10 was designed to be fullauto, then semiautos were manufactured to satisfy those wanting a Mac10 that is legal to own without NFA approval.

The Glock 17 was designed as a semiauto.  The G18 was created from that design, but the new slide and internals make it a totally different design from the G17.

I think the tie breaker is the chicken and egg argument.  For a gun to be a " semi version of a full automatic", would not the fully automatic version have to exist first?  In the Glock 17 question, the G18 is a full automatic version of a semi version, not the other way around.
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suka

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 12:04:56 PM »
In all regard, as interpreted by HRS the Glock 18 is a full auto version of a semi auto Glock 17.
Most parts are interchangeable including the frame (receiver). Only the slide and auto sear is different to prevent ease of convertion to FA on a 17.



Same as the Mirco Uzi (fa) and Uzi Pistol (sa) in which 95% of the parts are interchangeable. Only the trunion is slotted and a unblocked selector switch in full auto.

Funtimes

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 03:51:37 PM »
It's really hard to say on the semi-auto version.  If you look at something like the CA assault weapon law, as soon as the serial / model number changed it was a completely different gun.  It's similarities didn't matter.
Especially on something like a handgun, it would be almost impossible for the layman to know or be aware whether or not there was a fully-automatic version of that gun, especially since they are not available to them (generally) or at all (hawaii).   Sounds like a good case for void for vagueness for me.

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Kingkeoni

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 06:20:05 PM »
Hmmmm,

So why would a semi Mac10 with threaded barrel be an assualt pistol and not a semi Glock 17 with a threaded barrel. ( if both weighed below 50oz). Mac10 actually weighs 56oz.


Since Both guns internals are different from the full auto version.

Much like an AR15 and M16.
Both internals are completely different but everyone assumes the AR15 is the semi auto version of a M16.

So you can see where I'm coming from.

I'll tell you what.

If you're that concerned about it, don't buy a threaded barrel.

 :closed:
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Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

hdu

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2014, 07:01:40 PM »
In all regard, as interpreted by HRS the Glock 18 is a full auto version of a semi auto Glock 17.
Most parts are interchangeable including the frame (receiver). Only the slide and auto sear is different to prevent ease of convertion to FA on a 17.



Same as the Mirco Uzi (fa) and Uzi Pistol (sa) in which 95% of the parts are interchangeable. Only the trunion is slotted and a unblocked selector switch in full auto.

As an Glock Armor I can tell you NO the parts are not the same. Glock 18 parts has its own part number and Glock 17 has its own set of numbers. 


BTW are you saying you've have been trying to put G18 parts in a G17 and that why you know the parts fit?

OldFaithful

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2014, 07:28:15 PM »


Might as well post this for fun lol

suka

Re: Glock 17 w/ threaded barrel an assault pistol.
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2014, 01:39:20 AM »


Might as well post this for fun lol

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