1. 2aHawaii
  2. General Topics
  3. General Discussion
  4. Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
Print
Pages: [1] 2 3 4

Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head? (Read 32261 times)

painlessdoc

Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« on: January 11, 2014, 11:15:09 AM »
Maximum Ranges (yards) centre fire rifle-cartridges 223 Rem, 308 Win, 30-06, direct fire, 2750 – 4400 yards.  http://www.saps.gov.za/crime_prevention/firearms/forms/sabsstd.pdf 


.30 caliber ricochets can depart a steel plate with 75% of their energy retained.  Gunshot Wounds:  Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic…, 2nd Edition, 1999, by Vincent J.M. DiMaio.


U-tube tracer ricochet videos (not Koko Head)

 



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEoQtwIwAw&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DgZW9I9Ka2B0&ei=DuG4UvW8K5G6oQTemICAAQ&usg=AFQjCNG67c8CVhgpmUdN-XIyhWDKZMPxrg&sig2=5qGIHG9nc7sEgCPNuPY3xw&bvm=bv.58187178,d.cGU

  fast forward to 1:54 to see end of video for tracer ricochets in slow motion


Possible trajectory of alleged bullet strike, Koko Kai Place, approximately 2,550 yards directly downrange from the Koko Head rifle range firing line, behind the Koko Head Crater rim which rises a maximum of 678 feet above the floor of the range at that point, see:  http://www.hawaiirifleassociation.org/?start=3
  .
Logged

dustoff003

Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2014, 11:52:17 AM »
Nice first post! (I wish there was a font for sarcasm.)
Logged

jaynick

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2014, 11:58:15 AM »
13 minutes total of online activity on our forum. gee i wonder if this guy has an agenda ::)
Logged

jaynick

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 12:03:33 PM »
if you want to present your case against the range then be a man and show up to a hk board meeting or some other public forum(thats not virtual) and show these videos and explain how you truly feel.
dont hide behind a computer in a thinly veiled attempt to get us to take your side.
Logged

Q

.
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2014, 12:10:06 PM »
.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2016, 12:16:56 AM by Q »
Logged

edster48

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2014, 12:17:16 PM »
 
Quote from: painlessdoc on January 11, 2014, 11:15:09 AM
Maximum Ranges (yards) centre fire rifle-cartridges 223 Rem, 308 Win, 30-06, direct fire, 2750 – 4400 yards.  http://www.saps.gov.za/crime_prevention/firearms/forms/sabsstd.pdf 


.30 caliber ricochets can depart a steel plate with 75% of their energy retained.  Gunshot Wounds:  Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic…, 2nd Edition, 1999, by Vincent J.M. DiMaio.


U-tube tracer ricochet videos (not Koko Head)

 



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEoQtwIwAw&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DgZW9I9Ka2B0&ei=DuG4UvW8K5G6oQTemICAAQ&usg=AFQjCNG67c8CVhgpmUdN-XIyhWDKZMPxrg&sig2=5qGIHG9nc7sEgCPNuPY3xw&bvm=bv.58187178,d.cGU

  fast forward to 1:54 to see end of video for tracer ricochets in slow motion


Possible trajectory of alleged bullet strike, Koko Kai Place, approximately 2,550 yards directly downrange from the Koko Head rifle range firing line, behind the Koko Head Crater rim which rises a maximum of 678 feet above the floor of the range at that point, see:  http://www.hawaiirifleassociation.org/?start=3
  .

Nobody here is trying to deny that bullets can travel the distance involved, or that ricochets are dangerous.

That being said, I take issue with the fact that the pictures I saw of the round recovered in HK showed a scuffed, but intact bullet. Please take note of the second video you posted, the round shattered. this is what happens when a round encounters a solid object with 2700-3000 lbs ft. of energy. Even if the round ricochets, it will be distorted due to energy involved. With the exception of military rounds, modern bullets are built to expand on impact, increasing the size of the wound cavity and assuring a quick and humane kill on game animals. They do not show up 2400 yards downrange in virtually perfect condition after a ricochet. The round would have to be purposely shot over the mountain, which I have my doubts about considering the attentiveness of the RSO's at the range.

Thanks for playing. :wave:
Logged
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

aieahound

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 12:29:14 PM »
A bullet that ricochets off a plate, or a stone, jumps at a 60 ( or more ) degree angle and goes 700 feet high and 2550 yards long without any distortion is purely magical.
DNFTT !
Logged

edster48

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2014, 12:35:45 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on January 11, 2014, 12:29:14 PM
A bullet that ricochets off a plate, or a stone, jumps at a 60 ( or more ) degree angle and goes 700 feet high and 2550 yards long without any distortion is purely magical.
DNFTT !

The cure for ignorance is education. I'm just trying to help Greg with some high school physics, apparently he was playing hooky!
Logged
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

suka

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2014, 12:41:57 PM »
 :closed:
Logged

causa mortis

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2014, 01:01:52 PM »
Hey Knumbnuts err Knudsen, get lost.
Logged

ren

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2014, 01:52:55 PM »
No rifle bullets don't climb anything.
Guys and gals this is a very poor attempt to lure us into a situation where the poster will be construed as a victim.
Logged
Deeds Not Words

Q

.
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2014, 02:25:34 PM »
.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2016, 12:17:11 AM by Q »
Logged

jimsaloha

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2014, 02:52:23 PM »
 :wtf:I have been shooting at KH rifle range for over 13 years.  Why is it that all of a sudden last year, it started raining bullets!
We had lots of steel at all distances with no ricochet problems.  Then we go to 100yds only and it's still raining bullets.
What is wrong with this picture? >:(
Logged

ren

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2014, 03:07:35 PM »
Quote from: jimsaloha on January 11, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
:wtf:I have been shooting at KH rifle range for over 13 years.  Why is it that all of a sudden last year, it started raining bullets!
We had lots of steel at all distances with no ricochet problems.  Then we go to 100yds only and it's still raining bullets.
What is wrong with this picture? >:(

Logged
Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2014, 03:13:19 PM »
Logged

dirtylickins

  • Trade Count: (+28)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1619
  • Total likes: 141
  • I carry a gun... Cause carrying a cop is too heavy
  • Referrals: 2
    • View Profile
Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2014, 03:24:53 PM »
Nutsac what did they tell you??? At the city office >:D
Logged

edster48

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2014, 03:39:39 PM »
Quote from: Q on January 11, 2014, 02:25:34 PM
Look guys: these people don't care. You can repeat the same scientifically backed information over and over, and they will continue to ignore it. We can sit here all day arguing about this or that, but in the end nothing is going to change their opinion on the issue.

It's either Greg or his anal bead handler, so just let them spew their BS since they are just going to keep trolling the forum with idiotic info anyway.

All too true, but shouldn't it be "wrangler" rather than handler?  :P
Logged
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

ren

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2014, 03:45:08 PM »
Quote from: dirtylickins on January 11, 2014, 03:24:53 PM
Nutsac what did they tell you??? At the city office >:D

Logged
Deeds Not Words

edster48

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2014, 03:48:33 PM »
Quote from: jimsaloha on January 11, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
:wtf:I have been shooting at KH rifle range for over 13 years.  Why is it that all of a sudden last year, it started raining bullets!
We had lots of steel at all distances with no ricochet problems.  Then we go to 100yds only and it's still raining bullets.
What is wrong with this picture? >:(

I happened to run into a friend of the family about a week ago. He's been using the range for even longer as an avid hunter, and he said the exact same thing. Almost word for word.

We all know this is BS, we just have to get past this and remain more vigilant in the future. Sad, that in this country, we're going to have to defend our God given rights under the Constitution, from whiners that would enslave themselves.
Logged
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

painlessdoc

Re: Can rifle bullets climb Koko Head?
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2014, 04:30:35 PM »
I am not Greg Knudsen or an associate of his.  Try again.

Jeremiah 5:21
Logged
Print
Pages: [1] 2 3 4
« previous next »