Registering a Firearm as a Corporation (Read 8725 times)

Jdelacruz

Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« on: January 19, 2014, 05:35:10 AM »
I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge with registering a firearm as a business or point me in the direction. While at the Sony Open I noticed there were armed private security guards and was curious if a corporation/business could be the legal owner of the firearms and if so how. I know you can keep your a firearm at your place of business but was wondering if and how the business could own the firearm.

Thank you.

dogman

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2014, 06:58:33 AM »
HPD officers own their firearms. I'm pretty sure private security guards have to own their firearms also. I don't think they are registered to the business.

Funtimes

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2014, 07:04:56 AM »
HPD officers own their firearms. I'm pretty sure private security guards have to own their firearms also. I don't think they are registered to the business.

Who told you that HPD owns their firearms?  They keep em, but it's city property.


OP: I have had some issues with HPD playing games with this.  They would not register the guns to HDF; They wouldn't register guns to us either even though HDF is a C&R FFL.   I just never had the time to sue them for it. THey allow shooting galleries, FFL's and security companies to register into the companies name. 
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dogman

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2014, 07:12:14 AM »
Who told you that HPD owns their firearms?  They keep em, but it's city property.

An officer I know said they have a firearm allowance ($) and he has to buy his own AR.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2014, 07:26:40 AM by dogman »

edster48

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2014, 07:24:53 AM »
That's an interesting question.
 I don't see why a corporation couldn't, as it's seen as an "entity" and is afforded the same rights as a person. Assuming the weapon can be proven to be an essential tool in the operation of the business, it's maintenance and possibly even ammunition should even be tax deductible. The corporation could also expense the cost of the weapon over a five year period to cover depreciation.

I guess the real question is, would the corp. need to hold an FFL or is there a state licensing mechanism that needs to be satisfied? Undoubtedly, there would have to be a qualified, licensed person responsible for said weapons, and I'm sure there would be a bureaucratic maze to be worked through.
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edster48

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2014, 07:33:01 AM »
An officer I know said they have a firearm allowance ($) and he has to buy his own AR.

Their service pistols are owned by HPD, and therefore owned by C&C, I think shotguns are HPD property as well but don't quote me on that. It's a moot point, however, as the government doesn't subject itself to the same pesky rules and regulations they force upon us.
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Teichi

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2014, 09:12:44 AM »
An officer I know said they have a firearm allowance ($) and he has to buy his own AR.
I'm thinking his wife gives him a firearms allowance.I know a lot of police officers that spend a lot on their personal collections.

Funtimes

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2014, 09:14:48 AM »
They might get an allowance, but it could be for training, for practice, for education - for buying gear and equipment.  Many officers have to purchase their own AR-15's if they wish to have them in the cruiser.  Lots of other departments issue rifles that may require NFA type stuff.
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2014, 10:18:08 AM »
My cousin confirmed this today: if they want to carry an AR in their squad vehicle, they have to purchase it themselves, with their own money.

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Currently, the standard issue firearm for Honolulu Police Officers is the Smith & Wesson Model 5906 chambered in 9mm. For their service weapon, officers are not allowed to carry anything other than the standard sidearm but officers are eligible for weapons allowances to purchase handguns (as backup weapons or off-duty carry), rifles, and shotguns.

Approved long guns can be the AR-15 rifle, Remington 870 or Benelli M1 (Super 90) shotgun. Although most Officers carry their own personal long guns while on duty, respective stations throughout the island have a small arsenal of AR-15 rifles and less than lethal shotguns in the event they are needed.

Starting in 2014, the Honolulu Police department will start to implement a 3 year plan to replace their older Smith & Wesson Model 5906 (which are no longer in production) with the Glock 17.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu_Police_Department

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Funtimes

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2014, 10:20:11 AM »
My cousin confirmed this today: if they want to carry an AR in their squad vehicle, they have to purchase it themselves, with their own money.

Are they getting dept letters so that they can be SBR / NFA? or just standard
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Kingkeoni

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2014, 01:11:29 PM »
Are they getting dept letters so that they can be SBR / NFA? or just standard

Just standard AR's.

They definitely have to buy their own.

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suka

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2014, 05:25:25 PM »
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Jdelacruz

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2014, 06:47:38 AM »
Who told you that HPD owns their firearms?  They keep em, but it's city property.


OP: I have had some issues with HPD playing games with this.  They would not register the guns to HDF; They wouldn't register guns to us either even though HDF is a C&R FFL.   I just never had the time to sue them for it. THey allow shooting galleries, FFL's and security companies to register into the companies name.

Thanks for the info. I was just curious because I know you can bring your firearm to your place of business. Being that I own my business it would be nice to register it under the business that me and my wife own. Plus it would seem easier to transfer down the road if need be if one day my children want the business. Of course there's the benefit of having them as a business expense and security for any business is a legitimate business expense. I don't think this should be limited to only security companies.

Surf

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2014, 08:41:17 AM »
There is a weapons and uniform allowance.  Uniforms are not 100% purchased.  Boots, dry cleaning etc is not paid.  No allotment for training ammo on the Officers own time.  While they might get lucky to get some ammo here and there, they need to purchase their own ammo to practice.  Stations have AR's and Shotguns that can be drawn out pre-shift but they are not in the best condition, no optics, no sling, no lights.  Like most arsenal or pool weapons they are old, beat up, not well maintained and sights or zero should not be trusted, plus patterning for the shotgun is unknown.  Officers are allowed to purchase certain weapons for supplemental duty use, so some guys buy their own long guns, which is smart as it addresses the above issues.  Long guns are issued to a certain unit and another unit is issued or has SBR's, subguns, Super90's and various precision rifles which are agency owned. The CLEO does not approve NFA items for individual Officer purchase.  I will note that the allowance does not begin to cover the expenses that an Officer might incur annually so much is out of pocket.  If an Officer likes to practice to keep their skills sharp, guaranteed the allowance does not begin to cover costs.     

Funtimes

Re: Registering a Firearm as a Corporation
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2014, 01:54:34 PM »
There is a weapons and uniform allowance.  Uniforms are not 100% purchased.  Boots, dry cleaning etc is not paid.  No allotment for training ammo on the Officers own time.  While they might get lucky to get some ammo here and there, they need to purchase their own ammo to practice.  Stations have AR's and Shotguns that can be drawn out pre-shift but they are not in the best condition, no optics, no sling, no lights.  Like most arsenal or pool weapons they are old, beat up, not well maintained and sights or zero should not be trusted, plus patterning for the shotgun is unknown.  Officers are allowed to purchase certain weapons for supplemental duty use, so some guys buy their own long guns, which is smart as it addresses the above issues.  Long guns are issued to a certain unit and another unit is issued or has SBR's, subguns, Super90's and various precision rifles which are agency owned. The CLEO does not approve NFA items for individual Officer purchase.  I will note that the allowance does not begin to cover the expenses that an Officer might incur annually so much is out of pocket.  If an Officer likes to practice to keep their skills sharp, guaranteed the allowance does not begin to cover costs.     

Thank you for the information!  Such a liability issue with officers not having their own rifle that they qualified with imo.  Shoot someone off target and the first question will be, "did you verify the weapons zero."   No optics or sling just makes it worse.
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