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macsak

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2014, 11:06:56 AM »
It is my hope that this site gathers like minded trustworthy folks who will unite when disater strikes to assist each other with their variety of skills to weather out any storm that may occur.
Isn't that what its all about, strength in numbers ?
  :shaka:

exactly
we have this forum, the get togethers, the range days, the waiting in line at hpd/gunshops
all to meet like minded individuals who can contribute a little bit
 :worship:

Rocky

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2014, 01:25:23 PM »
exactly
we have this forum, the get togethers, the range days, the waiting in line at hpd/gunshops
all to meet like minded individuals who can contribute a little bit
 :worship:
Not sure about the "waiting in line" part.  :shake: :wacko: :sleeping:
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Rocky

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2014, 02:50:00 PM »
Rocky, check out CERT training.

While important, firearms training is barely scratching the surface of training needed in the event of a SHTF scenario here on the islands.

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=11392

Thanks Jon.

   We've had a couple CERT classes out here with several of our groups, but I could never get 3 weekend days off in a row.
Might have to stretch it over time but I believe there was a limit.

  Last "Major Catastrophe" training I was involved with was the military's Ko'olauloa "Hell Week" based out of Kahuku Hospital a couple years ago.
Full on Haz-Mat complete with Chinook. :thumbsup:
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macsak

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2014, 02:57:07 PM »
Not sure about the "waiting in line" part.  :shake: :wacko: :sleeping:
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

when i was going hpd last thursday, saw edster leaving
some of us meet up and wait for black friday or other clearance sales
i bet if HNL firearms didn't prematurely ejaculate their sale last week, there would've been a line on saturday too
 :wave:

Jl808

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2014, 03:31:17 PM »

Thanks Jon.

   We've had a couple CERT classes out here with several of our groups, but I could never get 3 weekend days off in a row.
Might have to stretch it over time but I believe there was a limit.

  Last "Major Catastrophe" training I was involved with was the military's Ko'olauloa "Hell Week" based out of Kahuku Hospital a couple years ago.
Full on Haz-Mat complete with Chinook. :thumbsup:

Nice. I don't think you need to do all 3 weekends in a row. I did my first 2 classes in November last year and just did the last day in January.  However, it's up to you to stay on top of the schedule as the instructors won't remind you.
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jrka101

What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2014, 07:42:11 PM »
Wow all nice points! I intended to check back in a bit when I posted this. I'm glad I got a little distracted. These are all spots I had had questions about.

I think Surf stated it's more about where WOULD you go instead of avoid. Well, I didn't wanna ask that just based on OPSEC. I am not going to disclose area I feel are safe for me and mine and I wouldn't ask any of you to disclose your safe areas either. So here we are with places to avoid.

Gas stations are a big one I forgot about, but I'm in a "half tank is empty" habit and think I'll be ok. What about military bases? I would think that I'd try to avoid those too.

Rocky, thanks for the link. I am now rearranging mine/my kids activities to accommodate some Sundays spent at some CERT training.

Rocky

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2014, 09:03:02 PM »
Wow all nice points! I intended to check back in a bit when I posted this. I'm glad I got a little distracted. These are all spots I had had questions about.

I think Surf stated it's more about where WOULD you go instead of avoid. Well, I didn't wanna ask that just based on OPSEC. I am not going to disclose area I feel are safe for me and mine and I wouldn't ask any of you to disclose your safe areas either. So here we are with places to avoid.

Gas stations are a big one I forgot about, but I'm in a "half tank is empty" habit and think I'll be ok. What about military bases? I would think that I'd try to avoid those too.

Rocky, thanks for the link. I am now rearranging mine/my kids activities to accommodate some Sundays spent at some CERT training.
Thanks but it was JI808 link
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Surf

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2014, 10:00:37 AM »
It is my hope that this site gathers like minded trustworthy folks who will unite when disater strikes to assist each other with their variety of skills to weather out any storm that may occur.
Isn't that what its all about, strength in numbers ?
  :shaka:
Yes indeed it would take a bit of time to organize relief efforts and yes ships would be bringing supplies, but we cannot discount that the US military has the ability to airlift and massive amounts of supplies if so directed. 

I also agree with like minded individuals coming together to assist one another, we need to take into account the sheer amount of those who are not smart enough to prepare to weather the transition time and are going to be the ones who will heavily tax any relief efforts.  As mentioned there are situations where even moderately prepared people will lose everything and have little options. 

exactly
we have this forum, the get togethers, the range days, the waiting in line at hpd/gunshops
all to meet like minded individuals who can contribute a little bit
 :worship:
I fully support the idea of people being able to be self sufficient in times of disaster.  It will make it easier on everyone, especially themselves.

Wow all nice points! I intended to check back in a bit when I posted this. I'm glad I got a little distracted. These are all spots I had had questions about.

I think Surf stated it's more about where WOULD you go instead of avoid. Well, I didn't wanna ask that just based on OPSEC. I am not going to disclose area I feel are safe for me and mine and I wouldn't ask any of you to disclose your safe areas either. So here we are with places to avoid.

Gas stations are a big one I forgot about, but I'm in a "half tank is empty" habit and think I'll be ok. What about military bases? I would think that I'd try to avoid those too.

Rocky, thanks for the link. I am now rearranging mine/my kids activities to accommodate some Sundays spent at some CERT training.
I am merely putting out more for discussion or more for people to think about and consider as opposed to asking anyone what their actual plans are or where would they physically relocate to.  Contingencies and not placing all your eggs in one basket so to speak.  If you live in a Tsunami zone, having everything at that location is not wise.  As an example, no sense in storing food, water, fuel, etc, if you will only loose it in a Tsunami.  I know others have touched on the concept, but being diverse, redundancy and contingencies are a good thing. 

And I too would not disclose my own options.  ;)

aieahound

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2014, 10:32:35 AM »
This seems appropriate for people who have done NO preparations and those of us who have ( even if it's moderately )



 :stopjack:

Rocky

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2014, 10:37:28 AM »
RE:
"Contingencies and not placing all your eggs in one basket so to speak.  If you live in a Tsunami zone, having everything at that location is not wise.  As an example, no sense in storing food, water, fuel, etc, if you will only loose it in a Tsunami.  I know others have touched on the concept, but being diverse, redundancy and contingencies are a good thing. "

True dat.
    As mentioned elsewhere on this page, I have a Mylar sealer available for use, you supply your own bags/dissicant/o2absorbers.
Mylar is airtight, waterproof, bug proof, rodent resisitant, light proof non-bio-degradable.
Seal for food, ammo, documents for storage and or or burying.  :thumbsup:
 
    As I am in a Tsunami zone, the Koolau's across the street are "peppered" with mylar deposits.
There, I told you where my stash is  !  ;D
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macsak

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2014, 10:44:30 AM »
RE:
"Contingencies and not placing all your eggs in one basket so to speak.  If you live in a Tsunami zone, having everything at that location is not wise.  As an example, no sense in storing food, water, fuel, etc, if you will only loose it in a Tsunami.  I know others have touched on the concept, but being diverse, redundancy and contingencies are a good thing. "

True dat.
    As mentioned elsewhere on this page, I have a Mylar sealer available for use, you supply your own bags/dissicant/o2absorbers.
Mylar is airtight, waterproof, bug proof, rodent resisitant, light proof non-bio-degradable.
Seal for food, ammo, documents for storage and or or burying.  :thumbsup:
 
    As I am in a Tsunami zone, the Koolau's across the street are "peppered" with mylar deposits.
There, I told you where my stash is  !  ;D

if, theoretically speaking, one were to do such a theoretical thing as placing mylar encased supplies in the mountains
how does one theoretically mark them?
GPS, big sign, small ribbon?
and how would one theoretically bury/hide them?
if one were theoretically considering to do something like this in case a hypothetical disaster actually happens

Rocky

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2014, 11:11:44 AM »
     Theoretically speaking, if you've hiked dem dere hills for the past 23 years, they get kinda familiar, but her phone has GPS for location (I hiked more than her).
They can be buried as is or if you're SUPER ANAL about it, you hike up a couple times with filled back pack and stash the load and trudge back up again with a large (tall, frik'n heavy)  ammo can.
Their only 5.5 " thick so a 12" x 28" x 13" hole burys them 6 " under.
Pretty much a scrape up there.

   Not just for the "hypothetical disaster" but like surf sez, "Contingencies and not placing all your eggs in one basket so to speak
Oh yeah, then I put the big red flag on it.

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macsak

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2014, 11:24:57 AM »
     Theoretically speaking, if you've hiked dem dere hills for the past 23 years, they get kinda familiar, but her phone has GPS for location (I hiked more than her).
They can be buried as is or if you're SUPER ANAL about it, you hike up a couple times with filled back pack and stash the load and trudge back up again with a large (tall, frik'n heavy)  ammo can.
Their only 5.5 " thick so a 12" x 28" x 13" hole burys them 6 " under.
Pretty much a scrape up there.

   Not just for the "hypothetical disaster" but like surf sez, "Contingencies and not placing all your eggs in one basket so to speak
Oh yeah, then I put the big red flag on it.

i think i would theoretically put a hypothetical sign that says "these are not the disaster supplies you are looking for, move along"

Rocky

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2014, 12:54:34 PM »
i think i would theoretically put a hypothetical sign that says "these are not the disaster supplies you are looking for, move along"

While  hypothetical is based on  theory, existing only in theory is hypothetical.
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jrka101

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2014, 12:55:47 PM »
Rocky, with the Mylar bags, is it necessary to vacuum seal or do the O2 absorbers do a good enough job by themselves? Also, how's the durability? Have you ever dug one up to check?

Surf

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2014, 05:18:38 PM »
if, theoretically speaking, one were to do such a theoretical thing as placing mylar encased supplies in the mountains
how does one theoretically mark them?
GPS, big sign, small ribbon?
and how would one theoretically bury/hide them?
if one were theoretically considering to do something like this in case a hypothetical disaster actually happens
You can use GPS which is the same in theory as Geocaching but what happens when we lose power?  Hopefully the Satellites would still be online, but if you had no power, placing items near landmarks that stand out to you, or using a location where you triangulate the cache via 3 points of reference and distances.  If you are very good at land nav this would be a big asset.  Taking pictures of locations or sketches would help.  Just remember that you need to think of security measures for your directions / photos / maps etc...

As for hiding them, the old school method is ammo cans of various sizing and coating them with roofing tar, the cold type in 1 gal or 5 gal containers.  That is messy and smells.  Others use PVC or ABS with end caps, often the threaded clean out type but large pipe can get expensive.  Also can be used is 5 or 6 gallon buckets with the gamma seal lids.  Pretty cheap for a container overall.  If your adventurous larger 55 gallon drums can be used in similar fashions.  You should however include desiccants in these containers.   

Rocky, with the Mylar bags, is it necessary to vacuum seal or do the O2 absorbers do a good enough job by themselves? Also, how's the durability? Have you ever dug one up to check?
Vacuum seal is not necessary with mylar and O2 absorbers.  Use quality bags, however the bag itself no matter the quality is not very puncture resistant and should be placed inside of a container.  Also small rodents will chew up bags, unlike other metals the mylar does not detour rats and mice.  Many use mylar bags that are made to fit 5 and 6 gal buckets.  Others use the metal trash cans or 55 gal drums to store larger quantities of bags.  This helps prevent rodent issues. 

Mylar and with O2 absorbers will store for many years unlike the off the shelf type of vacuum sealers like the Food Savers.  Those bags are short term solutions.  Now if you have the jar attachment that is good, but be aware of direct sunlight.  People often say they are going to vacuum seal (Food Saver) bags of ammunition to bury.  Any long term storage in this condition is not very reliable.

 
« Last Edit: January 29, 2014, 05:24:50 PM by Surf »

jrka101

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2014, 10:17:50 PM »
Solid info Surf, thank you! I was just watching some "how to's" about Mylar and this extra info here helps more.

I gotta say; this is a great forum, because of guys like you!

Rocky

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2014, 01:44:16 PM »


Vacuum seal is not necessary with mylar and O2 absorbers.  Use quality bags, however the bag itself no matter the quality is not very puncture resistant and should be placed inside of a container.  Also small rodents will chew up bags, unlike other metals the mylar does not detour rats and mice.  Many use mylar bags that are made to fit 5 and 6 gal buckets.  Others use the metal trash cans or 55 gal drums to store larger quantities of bags.  This helps prevent rodent issues. 
The bags Iwe get are 7 mil and are pretty durable, but not puncture proof.
As for rodents, thats why I recommended WIPING THE BAG as any smell will make it more appealing to the inquisitive.
Properly done, rodents will leave it alone.


Mylar and with O2 absorbers will store for many years unlike the off the shelf type of vacuum sealers like the Food Savers.  Those bags are short term solutions.  Now if you have the jar attachment that is good, but be aware of direct sunlight. 
I found these little tabs you can put on jars after you make a slight hole.
The tab is like tape with a small piece of rubber that gets sucked into the hole to seal.
Any jar with the rubber seal on it (pickles, peanut butter) is good, but I also use a Mason jar lid.
Poke seal and vacuum and it can be used over and over.
www.pump-n-seal.com


People often say they are going to vacuum seal (Food Saver) bags of ammunition to bury.  Any long term storage in this condition is not very reliable.
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Rocky

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2014, 01:51:03 PM »
Rocky, with the Mylar bags, is it necessary to vacuum seal or do the O2 absorbers do a good enough job by themselves? Also, how's the durability? Have you ever dug one up to check?
Even the bags I have buried are in another "container" ( tall ammo cans work best as there is less of a hole to dig at least deep anyway or bucket and lid).
No I have not dug any of those up, but have removed the ones from my property.
Good as the day they were buried, 5-6 years ago.
Ammo/ food  was fine as it went through rotation.
 

Check my post at "Survival is only breaking even" on this survival topic and you can see pics of how th eO2 absorbers actually create a vacuum in the sealed bag
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macsak

Re: What places would you AVOID during...
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2014, 01:52:08 PM »


you really think we're going to click on a link that says "pump n seal"?
 :thumbsup: