JL808, thanks for showing this video.  Most LEO handles situations within 5 feet.  This is a wake up call at least for me. If they were in a room with desks and other obstructions, well that's very close.  Fight or Flight. Good job LEO.

Report on ch2 was officer was stabbed in the vest, so perp had intent to do grievous harm.  Justified shoot IMHO.

We were trained 30 ft; even had a demonstration to prove it was not only possible, but highly likely for someone who receives only limited training with their sidearm.

And for people saying, 'why didn't he just use a taser?' : if someone stabbed or attempted to your friend or partner, I can guarantee that you wouldn't tase him. Anyone with LEO training knows that if an attacker is already making an aggressive attempt to harm you or someone else, a higher escalation of force is needed; the taser is reserved for non-compliance without incident of attempted physical assault. 

On a side note, it has already been proven that HPD has a tendency to be trigger happy over the past few years. Still, I would have done the same in his shoes.

So Q, my question may save myself from being tazed. Non-compliance could get a person tazed?! That is of course without incident of attemted physical assault.

Non compliance could be not moving quick enough when told to do so by LE.
Maybe even questioning an order.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

So Q, my question may save myself from being tazed. Non-compliance could get a person tazed?! That is of course without incident of attemted physical assault.

Non compliance could be not moving quick enough when told to do so by LE.
Maybe even questioning an order.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

If this happens make sure your wearing clean underwear. ..

So Q, my question may save myself from being tazed. Non-compliance could get a person tazed?! That is of course without incident of attemted physical assault.

Non compliance could be not moving quick enough when told to do so by LE.
Maybe even questioning an order.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

The answer to your question is: YES.

On the escalation of force tables, the tazer is actually lesser than OC spray. An officer just needs to justify in his report that you were somehow being non-compliant, which resulted in obstruction of his law enforcement duties and therefore 'justifies' his use of force with the taser.

Does it make it right? No; and if taken to court and proven that the escalation of force wasn't necessary, then it could be his ass, although most of the cases against HPD are dropped.

We all know many of the cops in HPD have ego problems that make them feel like they are invincible and can do whatever the hell they feel like, but as long as they can word their reports the right way, they can justify anything.

Waiting for more facts ..... but it sounds like the police did the shootings(shot the 17 yr old at the wrist).....yet all the media so far makes it like some student or somebody is shooting up the school.

Sorry if I "trolled" here.
Just kinda seems that police all over the place sure are shooting alot of people.
Will be nice to hear the whole story.

Sorry if I "trolled" here.
Just kinda seems that police all over the place sure are shooting alot of people.
Will be nice to hear the whole story.

Agreed.

There have already been several in the past 12 months in which HPD was involved.

Sorry if I "trolled" here.
Just kinda seems that police all over the place sure are shooting alot of people.
Will be nice to hear the whole story.

That, I wouldn't consider trolling.  A different opinion on a situation makes for a informative conversation.

the teen cut one officer with a knife and punched two others.
Sounds drug induced, emotionally unstable or "Daaaamn dat's one big boy with an attitude".
Ether way, best they got him out of the school

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/28/suspect-in-custody-after-shots-fired-at-hawaii-high-school-police-say/

Sorry if I "trolled" here.
Just kinda seems that police all over the place sure are shooting alot of people.
Will be nice to hear the whole story.

A reason why police may seem to be shooting more is that it could be indicative of an ill society, that has no regard for law or being civil. In this case, the teen runaway should not have stabbed an LEO. Simple. There is a consequence. Additionally, this can also be a case for CCW, because a regular citizen would not respond well to a knife attack while dialing 911.

LA times
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-hawaii-school-shooting-knife-20140128,0,7928675.story#axzz2rjsxBGT2

The answer to your question is: YES.

On the escalation of force tables, the tazer is actually lesser than OC spray. An officer just needs to justify in his report that you were somehow being non-compliant, which resulted in obstruction of his law enforcement duties and therefore 'justifies' his use of force with the taser.

Does it make it right? No; and if taken to court and proven that the escalation of force wasn't necessary, then it could be his ass, although most of the cases against HPD are dropped.

We all know many of the cops in HPD have ego problems that make them feel like they are invincible and can do whatever the hell they feel like, but as long as they can word their reports the right way, they can justify anything.

Like Bigkahuna said I better be wearing clean bebadees.

Careful out there, you may find yourself in a shocking situation.  C:-)

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.  The kid is lucky he was only shot in the wrist.

Oh I defiantly agree .  You try to stab a cop and you are gonna get shot!  That is just common sense.  That kid is lucky he didn't get shot more then once!  I'm actually surprised he didn't get shot more then once!  I wonder if he was trying to do a death/suicide by cop type of thing, especially if there was more then one cop at the scene.  Then again, people/kids in Hawaii aren't the smartest in the world...

A reason why police may seem to be shooting more is that it could be indicative of an ill society, that has no regard for law or being civil. In this case, the teen runaway should not have stabbed an LEO. Simple. There is a consequence. Additionally, this can also be a case for CCW, because a regular citizen would not respond well to a knife attack while dialing 911.

Nailed it Ren!! Yes there are bad cops and we just have to trust the system will find them and take care of them, but I am certain there are far more that are good and mean well all the time. These guys deal with the worst of society everyday, as far as to the possibility of not coming home from work…ever. You pull a knife on a cop and use it you deserve to be shot. You disobey an order of compliance from an officer you probably are up to no good anyway. If your not up to no good you settle with the PD and be done.

By the way I am no cop, I do however believe it the standards and norms of a grounded stable society and if we need police that enforce rules and laws to maintain that I say do it.

Not fast enough    They definately left the original report open to interpretation prior to having the facts.

sliver, reportably it was a runaway.  I'm just regurgitating what was reported that NO students were injured. If the news is wrong, then I am wrong.

New information:  The 17 yr old was NOT a student.  He is a runaway who showed up at the school to register.   When the school told him he could not enroll, he became "disorderly."

New information:  The 17 yr old was NOT a student.  He is a runaway who showed up at the school to register.   When the school told him he could not enroll, he became "disorderly."

At least he was trying to get edumacated.

At least he was trying to get edumacated.

He was a good kid! Just trying to turn his life around, stop this runaway nonsense and get educated. 

He was a good kid! Just trying to turn his life around, stop this runaway nonsense and get educated. 

Just another child victim of handgun violence.
Brady bunch statistics considers all gunshot victims 20 years old and under as children.

You disobey an order of compliance from an officer you probably are up to no good anyway. If your not up to no good you settle with the PD and be done.

By the way I am no cop, I do however believe it the standards and norms of a grounded stable society and if we need police that enforce rules and laws to maintain that I say do it.

Sorry, I disagree. Is the legal open carrier up to "no good" when an officer stops him solely for open carrying (which would be illegal for the officer to do...)? Is his (or her) refusal to provide ID (which is not required in most states) "...disobey[ing] an order of compliance..." and ipso facto justify escalation to deadly force?