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can we stop using the term "AR"
« on: February 03, 2014, 05:50:24 PM »
We should stop feeding the agenda of the politicians by calling our rifles "AR's". I personally dont own any of those.  But what I do own a few of is "modern sporting rifles" (MSR). So please can we all refer to it as an MSR not AR's. Mine does not have a full auto feature which is the true definition of assault rifle. Thanks for all the support :shaka:
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2014, 06:04:21 PM »
If I were inclined to "assault" someone with a rifle, I'd use this.

MSR= me shoot rapidly
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2014, 06:11:01 PM »
Good point.  Control the conversation by defining the terms.  Those lying bastards are used to using euphemisms all the time.

However, doesn't AR stand for "Armalite"?
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2014, 06:32:22 PM »
Good point.  Control the conversation by defining the terms.  Those lying bastards are used to using euphemisms all the time.

However, doesn't AR stand for "Armalite"?
in the political sense it stands for " assault rifle" there jl none out of a 1000 would say armalite.
Kk your finger no matter how fast will never be considered an assault rifle because you would be doing it in sport. But  it might get you a job at the ladies club...  :love:
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2014, 06:47:46 PM »
JI808 you are corect in your definition of AR, but I have neither .

   I have a "Personal Defense Weapon" as defined by DHS minus the "select-fire (capable of semi-automatic and automatic fire)."
http://radioviceonline.com/department-of-homeland-security-sport-rifle-ar-15-suitable-for-personal-defense/
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-7000-full-auto-assault-rifles-calls-them-personal-defense-weapons/
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2014, 07:01:21 PM »
I'll just continue calling mine an "AP". A useful tool when dealing with politicians.
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2014, 07:09:33 PM »
 :rofl:
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2014, 07:14:08 PM »
+1 for ak's and akm's

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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2014, 07:20:32 PM »
Good point.  Control the conversation by defining the terms.  Those lying bastards are used to using euphemisms all the time.

However, doesn't AR stand for "Armalite"?

Technically, I do own one AR-15:  Colt LE6940.

Since Colt holds the patent, they produce the only AR-15 designated rifles ... officially, anyway.

The rest of them are considered AR-15 clones, and many use other names, like the Noveske N4.

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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2014, 07:51:04 PM »
People who think AR stands for assault rifle are ignorant morons. No need to call it something else just to suit their needs. Personally I hate the term "modern sporting rifle"

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2014, 08:08:50 PM »
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2014, 08:13:55 PM »
Sounds like a really good idea.. but I think its maybe too late.... maybe "Defense Rifle"?

I also agree that it sucks how we have to stick our tail between our legs just to

convince WEAK, IGNORANT, CONFUSED liberals that they SUCK! :thumbsup:

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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2014, 08:32:07 PM »
Actually most people have no idea about the AR designation and besides "assault rifle" next most commonly think that its origins came from Armalite Rifle, which again is incorrect, but the most accepted claim especially with the advent, popularity and trademark of the AR15 designation.  Very few people know the true origin.  During the development of this platform it was originally a "heavy" or "battle rifle" class in a 7.62/.308 caliber weapon that was indeed a select fire variant.  Since it was a "heavy" or "battle" class of rifle and not a lighter caliber fitting the "assault rifle" category there was absolutely no "Assault Rifle" meaning behind the original "AR" designation.  It would have been a BR10 instead if it was referencing the class of rifle, but it was not.   

Why the "AR" moniker confusion?  In 1959 when Armalite / Fairchild split Colt got the AR15 moniker from Fairchild and Armalite went to George Sullivan.  Colt trademarked the AR15 moniker and eventually several other terms.  However Colt went on to develop a civilian semi auto only version of the M16 and designated it the AR15 since they already held that name designation.  Definitely not a true reference to "Armalite Rifle" as they did not own that name and did not produce that rifle.  It also did not stand for "assault rifle" as it was a semi-auto only version.  Colt holds the AR15 Trademark and attempted to own the "M4" designation also, but lost that one in court as it was a military designation and quite frankly they did it too long after others were using it also.  Technically I don't think Colt holds any more "patents" on the platform but they do have the AR15 name trademarked as well as several other trademarked names.  They did at one point hold the contract for the Military Specification "Mil-Spec" rifle award, but now others are producing under Government contract also. 

So now we understand that "AR" originally went back to Armalite pre Colt and pre Fairchild.  So it must have meant "Armalite Rifle"?  Well not quite.  Armalite was developing an automatic rifle in the 7.62 / .308 or battle rifle category.  The original automatic rifle design went through 9 different variations before the last or the 10 version was finalized.  So it was simply the 10th version of the "automatic rifle" design, or "Automatic Rifle version 10" and later shortened to simply "AR10", so while it does not mean "assault rifle" the original "AR" term did reference a select fire rifle.   

   
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 09:22:45 PM »
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2014, 09:36:04 PM »
I like the term Personal Defense Weapon.

Or maybe I should call it Ghost Gun.  ;D

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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2014, 09:37:11 PM »
I like the term Modern Musket better.

Or maybe I should call it Ghost Gun.  ;D

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2014, 09:47:14 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2014, 10:00:14 PM »
You know, there is validity to dirtylickin's point.  Despite the fact that they're recently manufactured terms with no clear meaning, even BATFE doctrine now includes the terms "assault weapon" and "high capacity."  When the government begins legitimizing language used by the opposition, that's a bad thing.  "AR" begs for misuse by the uninformed. 
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Re: can we stop using the term "AR"
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2014, 10:14:17 PM »
What's next calling rifles ammunition distribution devices just to placate the hoplophobes?  No.  I refuse.  This is my AR.  It's a rifle. It's the most popular and commonly used rifle in the USA.  It's dangerous and deadly to those who may harm me. There are many like it but this one is mine.  And it is my right to keep and bear arms as enumerated by the US Constitution. 
Assault Rifle? What I have here is an Anti-Assault Rifle.
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