Connecticut sends out the first confiscation letters!! Turn in your legal guns! (Read 14192 times)

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No qualms just turn them in NOW!!!!

You are all felons now!

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This is ground zero for obama heroes. Keep your guns. May God help you in all of this, give you strength. If they are willing to go to war over this so be it. We as gun owners wish to harm no one. But let history show we as gun owners did nothing wrong or provocative. When and if they come (THE GOVT.) It would be them that drew first blood. It will be the common man, us, that will be left standing. WE DO NOT WORK FOR THEM!!!!! They work for us. We will replace them with better men, and water the tree of liberty with their blood. God Bless ALL of you.
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This could be it.  They're pushing the absolute limits now.

Assault Rifle? What I have here is an Anti-Assault Rifle.
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I really question this letter for a couple reasons:

1.) Post office is closed on New Years Day.  It would be completely impossible for the individual to have received a letter on the 2nd.  The PD wouldn't have received the letter till sometime in the afternoon on the 2nd.  Do you really think they have an immediate turn around?

2.) There is no address in the letter head.  No government agency forgets that.

3.) It's already in the news that CT is attempting to develop an amnesty program.
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I really question this letter for a couple reasons:

1.) Post office is closed on New Years Day.  It would be completely impossible for the individual to have received a letter on the 2nd.  The PD wouldn't have received the letter till sometime in the afternoon on the 2nd.  Do you really think they have an immediate turn around?

2.) There is no address in the letter head.  No government agency forgets that.

3.) It's already in the news that CT is attempting to develop an amnesty program.
Copy of the letter (no idea if it's "real"):

punaperson

Fiery, lengthy rant to Connecticut lawmakers and enforcers:

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

Open Letter to the Legislative Tyrants of Connecticut

February 27, 2014

[Opening paragraph]:

And, yes, I said tyrants. You bought it, in the form of the woefully misnamed "Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children's Safety," you own it, you are certainly -- if you get your way -- going to pay for it like it or not, so you might as well own up to it. Look in the mirror. That's what a tyrant in the 21st Century looks like. Mather Byles, the Massachusetts Loyalist of the Revolutionary period -- our first civil war -- once famously asked, "Which is better - to be ruled by one tyrant three thousand miles away or by three thousand tyrants one mile away?" The Founders themselves were just as suspicious of unrestrained democracy as a means of tyranny. This is why they gave us a republic of limited powers and the rule of law, to limit those who would misuse democracy to create a new tyranny. Yet that is precisely what you've done. Own it.

[And a few paragraphs further, quoting his own speech from a year previous after the law had been passed requiring registration of "assault weapons" and magazines greater than 10 round capacity.]:

"An unconstitutional law is void." It has no effect. So says American Jurisprudence, the standard legal text. And that's been upheld by centuries of American law. An unconstitutional law is VOID. Now that is certainly true. But the tricky part is how do we make that point when the local, state and federal executive and legislative branches as well as the courts are in the hands of the domestic enemies of the Constitution. Everyone who is currently trying to take away your right to arms starts out by saying "I support the 2nd Amendment." Let me tell you a home truth that we know down in Alabama -- Barack Obama supports the 2nd Amendment just about as much as Adolf Hitler appreciated Jewish culture, or Joseph Stalin believed in individual liberty. Believe what politicians do, not what they say. Because the lie is the attendant of every evil. . .

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This is ground zero for obama heroes. Keep your guns. May God help you in all of this, give you strength. If they are willing to go to war over this so be it. We as gun owners wish to harm no one. But let history show we as gun owners did nothing wrong or provocative. When and if they come (THE GOVT.) It would be them that drew first blood. It will be the common man, us, that will be left standing. WE DO NOT WORK FOR THEM!!!!! They work for us. We will replace them with better men, and water the tree of liberty with their blood. God Bless ALL of you.
Pastor Dennis

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State Police Spokesman Lt. J. Paul Vance says state police will go door to door confiscating guns if they are ordered. Read More: http://topconservativenews.com/2014/02/official-ct-state-police-spokesman-says-that-state-police-would-participate-in-door-to-door-gun-confiscations/

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Copy of the letter (no idea if it's "real"):



CT officials have said they have not sent out any letters like this.  I mean, they are trying to figure out how to pass an amnesty bill right now so that more people can register.
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No qualms just turn them in NOW!!!!

You are all felons now!

UNFAIR WTF!

Connecticutt Carry is standing up ( so far ) to the state...   http://ctcarry.com/News/Release/41660b95-8f5e-4738-833c-cfe7ce437c73

It would be like another Colorado if they succeed.

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punaperson

CT officials have said they have not sent out any letters like this.  I mean, they are trying to figure out how to pass an amnesty bill right now so that more people can register.
CT officials said they have not sent out ("not one") any letters like this. They have said they have drafted a letter about this issue that they intend to send out. They will not reveal the letter they have drafted. The people who published this letter claim it is the drafted letter from the state. I suspect that even if this is the exact letter acquired from the state, that the letter that eventually goes out will be different, given the reaction to the letter above. Whatever the letter says, not sure it's going to have all that much of an effect on the approximately 85% of CT owners of the newly prohibited weapons and magazines that have thus far failed to register.

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No matter where you go. No matter where you hide. We the people will find you. To think you despised us so much you had the absolute gall to think you could walk in and take my property. That YOU had the right to do as you wish with that faggot in the white house and his criminal attorney general at the helm. So angers me beyond that I once thought capable. YOU mr. and mrs legislature will not escape. By vote or retirement. We the people WILL find you. And we will make an example for ALL legislatures and lawmen alike to see what happens with TYRANTS. This is the legislative shot heard around this country. All we wanted was to live out our lives in peace. But no, a lifetime of easy money wasnt enough. You had to go and take our GOD GIVEN RIGHT to defend ourselves. To think you believed you had the right to do this and we the people would cower in fear. No, I MEAN HELL NO. WE WILL NOT COMPLY. WE WILL NOT COWER. WE WILL NOT HIDE. I submit the consequences will rest in the hands of the common everyday schmuck just trying to provide for his family in peace. You Mr. and Mrs. legislature have not heard the last of WE THE PEOPLE. May God have mercy on you, because we will not.

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i find it surprising that there is probably a majority of people on here that agree will refusal to comply with registration in CT, yet we are begging for Hawaii to let us register our guns online.

punaperson

Well, there's a difference between Connecticut: "All you people who own these particular firearms and magazines that we don't know about please tell us who you are, where you are and what you've got", and Hawaii: "If you want to legally obtain a firearm you will follow these registration rules". I'd bet that a very large number of firearms owned in Hawaii prior to the registration requirements have never been registered, but I don't believe that non-registration of those pre-registration firearms is a felony here as it is in Connecticut where several hundred thousand owners became felons overnight for not registering by the deadline.

As for the online procedure for one step in the registration process (SB2938, submit testimony this morning March 11 for the PSM committee hearing March 12), even the HRA (who in the past have sided with absurd Hawaii gun laws and gone against the NRA-ILA) suggests that it is the first step in eventually eliminating registration in Hawaii. You have to start from where you are. And we are in a deep hell hole of blatantly unconstitutional infringements around here, not to mention the just plain idiotic overreaches and inconveniences to attempt to discourage firearm ownership and use. You know, "common sense gun safety regulations" because the children.

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San Jose, CA, is trying the same thing with "high capacity" mags now, falling in lockstep with SF.

Incrementalism another leftist tactic.
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punaperson

CT officials have said they have not sent out any letters like this.  I mean, they are trying to figure out how to pass an amnesty bill right now so that more people can register.
So the letter above is real, and even if the current letter now mailed by the state may not be exactly the same as the possible earlier draft shown above, it is substantially the same content. No mention by the DESPP official of any amnesty. I've emailed the DESPP and asked for a copy of the letter, but would not expect a reply until at least Monday. If I receive one I will post it and we can compare it to the supposedly "fraudulent" one published weeks ago. Incidentally, there is nothing at all about this on the DESPP website that I can find, certainly not under the "News" section. No mention. Go figure. It's also possible, I suppose, that NBC has been duped and the quote is not from the head of the DESPP, nor is the letter real, nor has it been sent. We'll see soon enough.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/State-Urges-Gun-Owners-to-Turn-in-Unregistered-Assault-Rifle-Weapon-Connecticut-250409491.html

State Urges Gun Owners to Turn in Unregistered Weapons
A letter was sent to owners who failed to register now-illegal assault weapons large capacity ammunition magazines.

Friday, Mar 14, 2014 |  Updated 7:52 PM EDT

NBC10.com

Connecticut officials are urging owners of now-illegal assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines to relinquish them to the police or make them permanently inoperable.

The Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection announced Friday it had sent a letter to owners who had failed to register the items by a Jan. 1 deadline, part of last year's gun control law. Officials offered advice on what to do now with the weapons and magazines.

The letter says gun owners are in compliance with the new state law if their items are no longer in Connecticut or were sold to an authorized gun dealer.

Those who fail to comply face charges of possessing an unregistered assault weapon and/or high capacity magazine.

Commissioner Dora Schriro denied rumors DESPP is confiscating weapons.

AND... here's a video of Governor Malloy responding to a question about gun rights (and other associated topics):

]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvn9wx6UXsA#

Gov. Dannel Malloy to Gun Owners ~ Your Side Lost Now Get Over It** (5) 3/13/14

"You lost."

He then trots out the tired "automobile drivers are licensed" analogy/argument, et. al. In other words, typical political grandstanding and not really answering the questions.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 03:31:29 PM by punaperson »

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punaperson

I got a response this (Monday) morning from Connectcut DESPP whom I had asked to provide a copy of the letter sent out to those who submitted late paperwork applications and are now noncompliant. Their response was:

"The letter was sent by the Firearms Unit to those who failed to register.

Thank you,

Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection"


I've sent an email asking for a copy of the exact letter, rather than the press release below, but expect it to be essentially the same.

Interestingly the Connecticut DESPP updated their website on Sunday with two separate pages regarding the new banned "assault weapons" and "large capacity magazines". One is a lengthy page with all the requirements for registration and purchase, etc. with links to all the .pdf files of actual legislation and details: http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=530224&A=4213.

The other page was a press release that included the substance, if not the exact wording, of the statement to non-compliant late applicants: http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=541728&A=4226

"Contact:Scott DeVico
203-525-6959
scott.devico@ct.gov
 
DESPP OFFERS GUIDANCE TO LATE ASSAULT WEAPON AND LARGE CAPACITY
MAGAZINE APPLICANTS
Commissioner Schriro writes legislative leaders
 
(Middletown, CT) – The Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection (DESPP) today provided guidance to applicants who failed to timely register their assault weapons and large capacity magazines.
 
In a letter to all late applicants, DESPP offered the following guidance:
 
1. If the weapon is no longer located in the state, you are in compliance;
2. If the weapon has been sold to an authorized firearms dealer, you are in compliance;
3. If the weapon is still in your possession, you may:
a. Arrange to relinquish your assault weapon(s) and/or large capacity magazine(s) to a state police troop or police department having jurisdiction where you reside; or
b. Render the assault weapon(s) and/or large capacity magazine(s) permanently inoperable.
 
A conviction for charges related to possession of an unregistered assault weapon and/or large capacity magazine may jeopardize one’s ability to possess a valid permit or eligibility certificate issued by the State of Connecticut.  Individuals who fail to comply with one of the above provisions may also be subject to fines or criminal penalties.
 
Also, Commissioner Schriro informed legislative leaders on the guidance and added, “We also understand that legislators may have been contacted by individuals concerned that law enforcement is going door-to-door to confiscate firearms. There have not been any law enforcement efforts by the State Police involving a door-to-door style campaign to confiscate guns, despite rumors to the contrary.   This law will be enforced by state law enforcement in the same manner and using the same discretion as would apply to every other criminal law.”
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So the substance of the current mailing is essentially identical to that of the letter released over a month ago that some people claimed was fraudulent. I guess you can believe some things on the internet.

punaperson

Update on Ms.Schriro the commissiioner who asserted that there would be no door to door confiscation. I noticed that this morning's posted cases from the Ninth Circuit included two death penalty claims wherein "Dora Schriro" was the defendant. She was formerly head of the prison system in Arizona where the case originated. She has a history of "controversy" and possible incompetence if not outright deception. Here is an excerpt from an article detailing some of her past justice system problems:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2009/09/city_jails_get.php

Schriro has courted controversy in her prior jobs. Back in 2004, a federal judge in Missouri refused to admit sworn testimony from her, saying she and other correction officials can't be trusted to tell the truth because of previous misleading statements under oath in a lawsuit filed by an inmate, according to a report in the Riverfront Times of St. Louis.

The judge, Carol Jackson, said the defendants, including Schriro, had "demonstrated unreliability." "It is beyond dispute that defendants' affidavits contained false statements," she wrote.


Not sure this person is completely trustworthy when she says what law enforcement will or won't do.

"There have not been any law enforcement efforts by the State Police involving a door-to-door style campaign to confiscate guns, despite rumors to the contrary."

Note she says "have not been"... not "nor will there be" any door to door confiscations. Similar to her earlier declarations that the illegally obtained letter to prohibited weapon owners "has not been mailed. Not a one." What she forgot to say was, "Yes. That is an accurate draft of the letter we will be sending shortly."

"This law will be enforced by state law enforcement in the same manner and using the same discretion as would apply to every other criminal law.”

Wouldn't that mean that if law enforcement knows (due to your sending in your registration information late), or has reasonable cause to believe that you have an illegal item (similar to other illegal substances) that they could get a search warrant(s) to allow entry into any or all such addresses? I think it would have been really easy for her to make a clear statement that there would not be at any time in the future such confiscations, if she had wanted to say that. Obviously she made no attempt to rule out such actions, and given her past history of lying, even under oath, I'm guessing door to door confiscations are under consideration.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2014, 09:30:33 AM by punaperson »

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The left is so famous for making statements like the previous one. AND lying, deception etc.I for one am tired of the horse hockey. Lets get it on or shut the hell up.