I was thinking , if you forceablly try to pry it out with a flat head screwdriver the magazine should give enough to slide out of the catch.
The mag may be bent or warped but may be detached. For sure HPD would not worry about stratching the lower. Just saying it may be forced out.

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I'd say damaging the firearm to get the mag out = non detachable....

I'm curious, who do you guys see/ask to see if these mods would make it legal at the police station?  The people at the firearms registration window?

I'm curious, who do you guys see/ask to see if these mods would make it legal at the police station?  The people at the firearms registration window?

That's the only option I know of. It only takes a little plug weld to permanently attach a flash hider and make a 14.5" barrel legal. I do hope they give it some careful thought and come up with reasonable guidelines instead of one guys decision on the spot. What if the guy was off that day. Then would it have been acceptable?

That's the only option I know of. It only takes a little plug weld to permanently attach a flash hider and make a 14.5" barrel legal. I do hope they give it some careful thought and come up with reasonable guidelines instead of one guys decision on the spot. What if the guy was off that day. Then would it have been acceptable?

HPD is not a rule making authority - it's not their call.  I think that is the biggest thing that people should understand here.  Someone else has to make the rules that they go by!  In this instance, it would likely be the state AG's office who would have to provide HPD with an opinion when they requested it.

The big problem is we can't have different rules for different parts of the island. It's supposed to be one equal playing field across everything.

At least they didn't confiscate the lower for a 30 round magazine inserted into a pistol frame

That would suck

At least they didn't confiscate the lower for a 30 round magazine inserted into a pistol frame

If the magazine is not detachable the 10 round limit does not apply. The 10 round limit only applies to detachable pistol magazines. They couldn't confiscate my lower because they would then have to go through the trouble of proving that my magazine was detachable. This magazine being detachable was the opinion of a single officer and I don't think the state would have been able to get a conviction if they tried. I believe Eric's original design satisfies the law entirely.

If the magazine is not detachable the 10 round limit does not apply. The 10 round limit only applies to detachable pistol magazines. They couldn't confiscate my lower because they would then have to go through the trouble of proving that my magazine was detachable. This magazine being detachable was the opinion of a single officer and I don't think the state would have been able to get a conviction if they tried. I believe Eric's original design satisfies the law entirely.

 
You have stolen my thoughts and think as I do!

You have stolen my thoughts and think as I do!

I've seen a lot of the things you said a while back that I thought were impossible, such as owning the pistol I'm cleaning right now, and they seem to be panning out. Thank you for all your advice Bradah suka. 

I've seen a lot of the things you said a while back that I thought were impossible, such as owning the pistol I'm cleaning right now, and they seem to be panning out. Thank you for all your advice Bradah suka. 

Glad to help! and get the general public informed how to jump thru the loopholes.

Many thought i was crazy about owning non assault pistols and certain NFA in Hawaii.

researched these HRS and USC since 1997 when the Clinton Ban was still in place.

I've seen a lot of the things you said a while back that I thought were impossible, such as owning the pistol I'm cleaning right now, and they seem to be panning out. Thank you for all your advice Bradah suka. 

Yep, thanks suka!

If the magazine is not detachable the 10 round limit does not apply. The 10 round limit only applies to detachable pistol magazines. They couldn't confiscate my lower because they would then have to go through the trouble of proving that my magazine was detachable. This magazine being detachable was the opinion of a single officer and I don't think the state would have been able to get a conviction if they tried. I believe Eric's original design satisfies the law entirely.

Just curious where in the HRS does it say if the magazine is not detachable the 10 round mag limit doesn't apply to pistols? I wanted to make a copy but couldn't find it. And is there a definition of a fixed non detachable magazine as per Hawaii law? Such as the CA def. which I think is that the magazine is not detachable if it requires tools to remove it or the removal of the action

Just curious where in the HRS does it say if the magazine is not detachable the 10 round mag limit doesn't apply to pistols? I wanted to make a copy but couldn't find it. And is there a definition of a fixed non detachable magazine as per Hawaii law? Such as the CA def. which I think is that the magazine is not detachable if it requires tools to remove it or the removal of the action

read the red parts in a sentence.

HRS 134-8
 (c)  The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition  of detachable ammunition magazines with a capacity in excess of ten rounds which are designed for or capable of use with a pistol is prohibited.  This subsection shall not apply to magazines originally designed to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition which have been modified to accept no more than ten rounds and which are not capable of being readily restored to a capacity of more than ten rounds.

NON detachable ammunition devices (not by the specific name MAGAZINES) is not prohibited under HRS.
It is not a grey area, It is not mention thus NOT prohibited.

A henry repeater pistol with 15rd  capacity

A revolver that holds 12 rounds in the cylinder.

Both are pistols that hold more than 10 rounds, but the ammunition feeding device is permanent to the firearm.

BOTH are legal!

A henry repeater pistol with 15rd  capacity

A revolver that holds 12 rounds in the cylinder.

Both are pistols that hold more than 10 rounds, but the ammunition feeding device is permanent to the firearm.

BOTH are legal!

Ok so say a 30 round pmag which is a detachable mag that can be used in a pistol which is illegal to have according to HRS 134-8 is fixed in the pistol it becomes a permanent ammunition feeding device. And being that the pistol doesn't have a detachable magazine it's not considered a assault pistol as defined by the HRS

an unassembled pmag holds zero rounds.

The body is inserted into the pistol and the follower and floor plates are then assembled after its permanently installed.

Thus again legally the Pmag hold zero rounds before assembly.

Ok so say a 30 round pmag which is a detachable mag that can be used in a pistol which is illegal to have according to HRS 134-8 is fixed in the pistol it becomes a permanent ammunition feeding device. And being that the pistol doesn't have a detachable magazine it's not considered a assault pistol as defined by the HRS

you are correct