There is another avenue.  The HDF facebook page will announce the event usually the next day after the announcement here.  You can try to sign up there as well but nothing is guaranteed.  those are also additional slots not filled by 2a members so that's a way to sign up if its filled here.

Yeah, I can think of two alternatives, neither of which I really like (since, you know, I have time and access to stalk the forum and thus am part of the 1%).  One is a lottery system.  The other is some form of tiered membership. 

Again, not endorsing a change, just feeling sorry for those less-fortunate souls that actually work for a living, or don't use the internet in lieu of having a life. 

March 11, 2014, 12:15:28 AM: - Event posted.
March 11, 2014, 05:36:25 AM - 1st response posted.
March 11, 2014, 04:12:21 PM - Wait list warning.
March 11, 2014, 05:09:32 PM - signups placed on hold.  Wait list officially begins.

Under 12 hours from the first signup to sold out.  Basically, if you aren't a compulsive forum checker, or if you work a regular day job without internet access, there was no chance.  I made the list because I am a compulsive forum checker who has internet access at work, but I can totally appreciate the injustice of that.  Does anyone else wonder if there's a more equitable method?

Don't feel too bad. I think we all realize that there are limitations. I've been trying to get into Hunter's Ed for months and always miss out. For me it is what it is and I accept that. Hopefully one day the HDF would have the resources to accommodate more folks.

On a positive note it's great to see so many responsible firearm owners wanting to learn how to use their firearms safely and effectively.

Hopefully one day the HDF would have the resources to accommodate more folks.

If more people are willing to help watch people, then I'm sure someone can talk to dirty and them to see about increasing the limit.   Just gotta have enough eyes to cover the guns sufficiently and make sure everyone goes home with everything they came with (minus ammunition).

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I may be able to assist in this capacity for future events (depending on the kids' Spring sports schedule).

What kind of background training is required and what is the time commitment?

I would also be interested in the requirements for HDF range safety please PM me the info.

Actually gents we have enough safety officials.  The real problem is 1) space on the line for shooters to shoot safely.  2) the time it takes for more people to shoot. For those who have been to the range days understand the line changes and even the props are limited. Thats why the need for the third late afternoon sessions and the need for more props. And of course storage space for all these extra equipment. But we are currently looking into solutions for storage.  And action bay 2 which is larger are some answers to the dilemmas.

Actually gents we have enough safety officials.  The real problem is 1) space on the line for shooters to shoot safely.  2) the time it takes for more people to shoot. For those who have been to the range days understand the line changes and even the props are limited. Thats why the need for the third late afternoon sessions and the need for more props. And of course storage space for all these extra equipment. But we are currently looking into solutions for storage.  And action bay 2 which is larger are some answers to the dilemmas.

Yeah I would like to know who some of the other groups are and if they have provided proof of all their stuff =p.

Actually gents we have enough safety officials.  The real problem is 1) space on the line for shooters to shoot safely.  2) the time it takes for more people to shoot. For those who have been to the range days understand the line changes and even the props are limited. Thats why the need for the third late afternoon sessions and the need for more props. And of course storage space for all these extra equipment. But we are currently looking into solutions for storage.  And action bay 2 which is larger are some answers to the dilemmas.

Roger thanks DL. I was just figuring if my schedule permits and I can make it one day to help as needed possibly as a safety and observe the range day first before I commit to locking in a training spot for myself. Kinda paying if forward by doing some club service before self service.

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+1; like dustoff, I believe in helping out and supporting worthwhile causes.  Let me know if I can assist in other ways, as well

everyone is welcome to observe, we may ask for help if necessary, but we usually have enough
we are not shy about asking, though
free shoot is from 12-1:45 or so, and everyone is invited for that too

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So are you guys going to start allowing other people to volunteer to teach during range days or no?

There are lots of guys with something to share, so i think it would diversify the training and allow people exposure to different perspectives and techniques.

people can volunteer to teach at anytime during range days I do it all the time.  We all learn from each other. So i suggest to whom ever would like to teach sign up attend a few sessions come on out participate and volunteer your different perspectives and techniques we all watch and learn.

So are you guys going to start allowing other people to volunteer to teach during range days or no?

There are lots of guys with something to share, so i think it would diversify the training and allow people exposure to different perspectives and techniques.

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Mahalo for your input
I think people (everyone, not just you) need to remember that this is a work in progress and we have been at it, what, 6 months?
And that doesn't include the lost time due to the range shutdown
We are now trying to find out how we can keep things interesting and worthwhile, but with the primary goal always being safety
I feel that the range days will be evolving over time, and I am positive that 3, 6, 12 months from now we will have even more change, and hopefully it will be for the better
We value everyone's input, and appreciate the thoughts, but before we think about "diversify the training", we need to ensure that we have a base level of competency and a comfort level with people's range safety awareness

Yeah I would like to know who some of the other groups are and if they have provided proof of all their stuff =p.

Know it won't be cheap but I'd throw in for an HDF storage locker in Hawaii Kai.  It would be more secure than out in the open at the range.

Actually gents we have enough safety officials.  The real problem is 1) space on the line for shooters to shoot safely.  2) the time it takes for more people to shoot. For those who have been to the range days understand the line changes and even the props are limited. Thats why the need for the third late afternoon sessions and the need for more props. And of course storage space for all these extra equipment. But we are currently looking into solutions for storage.  And action bay 2 which is larger are some answers to the dilemmas.

Mentioned this before but one option is like Front Sight's practice of having 1:1 "observer" to shooter.  Drill, then switch and the shooter becomes the observer and vice versa.  This also means there is a 1:1 SO ratio at all times.  The rising tide raises all boats and allows for more of them even, their classes are huge but run very efficiently   Just a thought as HDF grows in popularity.

everyone is welcome to observe, we may ask for help if necessary, but we usually have enough
we are not shy about asking, though
free shoot is from 12-1:45 or so, and everyone is invited for that too

Can you give more information about the "free shoot", like does everyone mean everyone? skill level? and what do you shoot at? Of course I do understand that safety always comes first.

Can you give more information about the "free shoot", like does everyone mean everyone? skill level? and what do you shoot at? Of course I do understand that safety always comes first.

everyone means everyone
hdf members $10, non-members $20
you can sign up for HDF on the spot $25 annually
shoot at targets, bowling pins
bottles
whatever
distance is usually 12-15 yards
some people run drills
some people just do mag dumps
you can holster and draw (no iwb or cross-draw)
practice transitions
just be safe and legal
we have some VTAC boards to try out too

come out, dogman, the gang would get a kick out of the AR pistol

Mentioned this before but one option is like Front Sight's practice of having 1:1 "observer" to shooter.  Drill, then switch and the shooter becomes the observer and vice versa.  This also means there is a 1:1 SO ratio at all times.  The rising tide raises all boats and allows for more of them even, their classes are huge but run very efficiently   Just a thought as HDF grows in popularity.

actually it is been done like this currently running 3 person teams so 1 shooter 2 observers (12 people shooting at a time) because space is limited but when the drills become dynamic then only 2 shooters can go at a time. As for the 1/1 SO not all of the participants are experienced enough to watch themselves wouldn't feel comfortable with them watching some one with evenless experience where experience could have anticipated a foul move coming. Especially  when im responsible to answer the WTF happened questions. We are continuing to improve and grow this to be effective as possible.