Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now? (Read 181038 times)

mauidog

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #140 on: June 19, 2015, 06:48:13 PM »
k?

that's kinda racist, but hey.

I was waiting for someone else to mention the ratio of Haoles [sic] (I guess some of us wear "Haloes" :D ) to non-Haoles in the registration lines day to day.  I know when I go, it's primarily local types unless a few military guys go there together.

Based on the people I see buying routinely in the gun shops and visiting the HPD firearm unit, PLUS the demographics of the people I see at the range, I'm going to call BS on this statement that "Only stupid white people( Haloes) follow these laws."

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Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #141 on: June 21, 2015, 01:34:50 AM »
Of possible interest in this regard, Puerto Rico seems to have eliminated a lot of their restrictive gun laws.  See:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/saf-lauds-puerto-rico-court-victory-for-gun-rights-300102214.html

I posted on this at:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=19524.msg176860#new

Of particular interest, this class action suit had 850 plaintiffs, and was brought by a coalition of ladies.

Perhaps if you "guys" started working on the "ladies" to emphasize the benefits of self-protection, it might help to change the apparent "do not care" attitude of most Hawaiians regarding gun rights.  After all, as far as I know, women, the elderly, and the handicapped are the most frequent victims of violent aggression... children, too, but that's apart from the bearing of arms question.

Just sayin'.

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« Last Edit: June 21, 2015, 01:41:15 AM by 230RN »
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

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Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #142 on: June 21, 2015, 02:03:14 PM »
About  Women & Guns

Make a list of women who were Raped, Kidnapped & Murdered here in Hawaii.

How many of these cases were solved?

Bring it up at hearings, Ask the LE where they were and why the cases are unsolved?

Could these women benefited by a CCW?

Hard for legislators to Deny Women right to self defense when they show up en mass at hearings.

As I was told by my Alaskan friend, Women Demanded gun rights and got it in Alaska.

What are you guys doing to Help Women's gun rights?

When was the last time there was a Ladies Day at the range?

Was there ever one?

Sad part is when a woman shows up at the range, no one really helps her/them.

A while back, HRA newsletter had a Women's column written by a local girl.

Went on for over a year.  No comments at all.

Don't know if the guys ever showed it to their women.

How many women are Active contributing members on this forum?

According to my Wife, local men don't know how to treat their women.

Even I get called on it by her as being "too Samurai".

We should All take a good look at ourselves and how we take care of our "women".

If you haven't noticed, the major gun makers are bringing out guns just for women.

Women are making a difference in many mainland State Associations.

Something to chew on.

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Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #143 on: June 22, 2015, 03:24:04 AM »
About  Women & Guns

Make a list of women who were Raped, Kidnapped & Murdered here in Hawaii.

How many of these cases were solved?

Bring it up at hearings, Ask the LE where they were and why the cases are unsolved?

Could these women benefited by a CCW?

Hard for legislators to Deny Women right to self defense when they show up en mass at hearings.

As I was told by my Alaskan friend, Women Demanded gun rights and got it in Alaska.

What are you guys doing to Help Women's gun rights?

When was the last time there was a Ladies Day at the range?

Was there ever one?

Sad part is when a woman shows up at the range, no one really helps her/them.

A while back, HRA newsletter had a Women's column written by a local girl.

Went on for over a year.  No comments at all.

Don't know if the guys ever showed it to their women.

How many women are Active contributing members on this forum?

According to my Wife, local men don't know how to treat their women.

Even I get called on it by her as being "too Samurai".

We should All take a good look at ourselves and how we take care of our "women".

If you haven't noticed, the major gun makers are bringing out guns just for women.

Women are making a difference in many mainland State Associations.

Something to chew on.



Like, like, like.  Way to go, Old Guy !
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

Rocky

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #144 on: June 14, 2016, 11:32:34 AM »
About  Women & Guns

When was the last time there was a Ladies Day at the range?

Was there ever one?
Did you know that "Lessons In Firearms Education" was originally started as "Ladies Involved In Firearms Education"  in Hawaii on August 17, 1994. ?  :geekdanc:

Sad part is when a woman shows up at the range, no one really helps her/them.
I'd be all over that !  :crazy: :love: :wave:

According to my Wife, local men don't know how to treat their women.
Cause their wives can't do 1MOA  :oops:

We should All take a good look at ourselves and how we take care of our "women".
Easy, just get her to shoot 1MOA.
You'll definitely treat her nicer !
  :shake:  :shake:  :shake: :love:


Something to chew on.
see above comment.  :love:
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Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #145 on: June 14, 2016, 12:22:20 PM »
I've got more interest from women on my www.meetup.com/HawaiiGGG group.  I'm working on getting a 50%/50% mix of women/men participants which will eventually grow into what you wanted, more women getting familiar with guns and what it can do for them.

likecarry808

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #146 on: June 23, 2016, 05:06:15 PM »
see above comment.  :love:
Here on Maui there is a well armed women group they have thier own range day. Wife loves it. :shaka:

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Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #147 on: June 24, 2016, 10:45:08 PM »
Here on Maui there is a well armed women group they have thier own range day. Wife loves it. :shaka:
once last year when I visited I stopped by a gun shop and it was owned by a woman and she was telling my wife about their ladies club really cool to have heard about it. Got fired up and went to shoot sporting clays in hailemaile after that. Lol

punaperson

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #148 on: January 03, 2017, 04:33:47 PM »
Time for a yearly update on Baker... .

Here is a verbatim Facebook post today from Charles Nichols of California Right to Carry/California Open Carry speculating on the Baker case delay. I am not endorsing Nichols' opinions in this instance, merely presenting them as one view about the case. Nichols filed his opening brief on November 9, 2016, and a request for his case to initially be heard en banc on December 14, 2016.

* * * * *
It has been 1861 days since my California Open Carry lawsuit was filed!

Update by Charles Nichols, President of California Right To Carry – January 3, 2017 – For a variety of reasons, some of which I wrote about in this article [http://blog.californiarighttocarry.org/?page_id=1622] nearly four months ago, this case is a mess. But not so much a mess which would prevent a decision by now. After all, they already had an opinion from the Peruta v. San Diego concealed carry 3 judge panel decision (now vacated) which would have been a fine opinion had the two judge majority not written that nonsense about it being perfectly constitutional to ban Open Carry in favor of concealed carry. Trim a couple of lines and add that states cannot require a permit to openly carry a firearm as well as an injunction against Hawaii laws to the extent they prohibit Open Carry and they’re good to go.

In other words, about 15 minutes of work is all that would have been required to publish a decision in this case by now. Since that hasn’t happened, there are two likely reasons. Either the two judges in the majority hate Open Carry so much, a possibility I put forth in this article I wrote back in August, or Judge Thomas [now chief judge of the Ninth CCA] is withholding his dissent thereby prohibiting the decision from being issued.

If Judge Thomas is withholding his dissent then he can withhold it indefinitely. It would take a writ by Justice Kennedy (or SCOTUS) to force the circuit court to issue a decision, assuming that Baker’s attorneys would even file a writ. They strike me as being too gunshy to do that and I’m not sure they have even been admitted to the Supreme Court bar. If they haven’t been admitted then they would have to find a lawyer who is in order to file the writ for them.

Another possibility, somewhat less likely, is the three circuit judges who are presiding over the Baker case are waiting for a decision in my en banc petition with an eye toward hearing my appeal as well as the two appeals out of Hawaii (Baker and Young) at the same time.

There is no way of knowing for certain. Only time will tell and even then it won’t tell the whole story.

Note: Links to the two articles I referenced are at my website under today's update. Simply click on the link.

http://blog.californiarighttocarry.org/?page_id=1622

punaperson

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #149 on: February 18, 2017, 03:22:39 PM »
Charles Nichols, California Right to [Open] Carry, marks a milestone:

It has been 2,000 days since this case (Baker v Kealoha [that name will have to now be changed... :D]) was filed!

To give you some perspective on just how long that is, if your child was a Freshman in high school when this case was filed he would now be a Sophomore in college.

http://blog.californiarighttocarry.org/?page_id=1622

What does it say about the "Justice delayed is justice denied" concept when not one single person originally cited as government officers (police chief, attorney general, governor, etc.) targeted by the lawsuit are any longer in office?

Ridiculous!!  :crazy: Or is it just me?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #150 on: February 18, 2017, 04:15:56 PM »
Charles Nichols, California Right to [Open] Carry, marks a milestone:

It has been 2,000 days since this case (Baker v Kealoha [that name will have to now be changed... :D]) was filed!

To give you some perspective on just how long that is, if your child was a Freshman in high school when this case was filed he would now be a Sophomore in college.

http://blog.californiarighttocarry.org/?page_id=1622

What does it say about the "Justice delayed is justice denied" concept when not one single person originally cited as government officers (police chief, attorney general, governor, etc.) targeted by the lawsuit are any longer in office?

Ridiculous!!  :crazy: Or is it just me?

One of the criticisms of the 9th Circus after they stopped Trump's immigration suspension said it takes 18 months (540 days) on average to get a decision from them.   Adding a new circuit and making 9th smaller might help alleviate that -- so some are saying.

I guess the Baker case and Trump's 1-day EO decision are at opposite ends of the curve?

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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Rocky

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #151 on: February 19, 2017, 10:00:27 AM »
One of the criticisms of the 9th Circus after they stopped Trump's immigration suspension said it takes 18 months (540 days) on average to get a decision from them.   Adding a new circuit and making 9th smaller might help alleviate that -- so some are saying.

I guess the Baker case and Trump's 1-day EO decision are at opposite ends of the curve?
Counter on 6th Amendment  "just and SPEEDY trial" ?   :o
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #152 on: February 19, 2017, 11:02:17 AM »
Counter on 6th Amendment  "just and SPEEDY trial" ?   :o

I think that only applies to criminal cases.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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London808

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #153 on: February 19, 2017, 12:28:08 PM »
Baker is done anyway, he no longer has the job he was fighting to get a carry permit for and I just read he doesn't live in Hawaii anymore
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wolfwood

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #154 on: February 27, 2017, 07:38:45 PM »
Baker is done anyway, he no longer has the job he was fighting to get a carry permit for and I just read he doesn't live in Hawaii anymore

Have some faith.  Besides I have Young right behind Baker. 
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MauiLeatherwork

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #155 on: March 01, 2017, 07:20:39 PM »
Thank you, Wolfwood

punaperson

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #156 on: March 10, 2017, 04:06:42 PM »
Order issued today, March 10, 2017. Remanded back to District Court.

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/memoranda/2017/03/10/12-16258.pdf

Funtimes

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #157 on: March 11, 2017, 03:04:17 PM »
Baker is done anyway, he no longer has the job he was fighting to get a carry permit for and I just read he doesn't live in Hawaii anymore

This was fairly immaterial.  We don't believe someone should have a specific job to carry a firearm.  Also, non-residents are not prohibited from carrying in Hawaii (if they have a permit).

That said, it's pretty junk of the court ending it this way, but we already kind of saw what was on the horizon.  We need scotus to take a case.. .there have dozens and still yet no relief.
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Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #158 on: March 11, 2017, 03:16:49 PM »
Remanded back to district court is far better than losing and having to petition an 8-judge SCOTUS to take the case. Probably the district court will affirm and send it back to the 9th...if you are lucky can you get the same 3 judge panel (referring to the 2 judges who voted to remand)? At that time the SCOTUS should be filled up again so your chances will be much better.

hvybarrels

Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« Reply #159 on: March 11, 2017, 11:28:18 PM »
What is the chance that we'll get a couple strict constitutionalists?
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