From GOA: Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry (Read 6339 times)

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For those who may not receive email alerts from Gun Owners of America. You can go to the following link to send an automated message to your representative. Of course since we in Hawaii are priveleged to be one of the very few states that have "universal background checks" and total registration (though theoretically the feds don't have our information, only the state, until they go in for the annual "inspection" and copy the 4473s...) these issues in terms of national legislation and executive orders and BATFE "regulations" is moot, but we can still support the free people in free states that abide by the Constitution and voice our displeasure over attempts to make more citizens of the United States subject to government tyranny.

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Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry And ATF makes the import ban on 5.45x39 ammo official

Last Friday, Attorney General Eric Holder testified [be sure to check out Holder's testimony from Tuesday when he told Texas Rep. Gohmert "You don't want to go there, buddy!" when Gohmert mentioned the contempt charge against Holder re the 1800 Fast and Furious documents "the most transparent administration ever" has refused to turn over] before a House appropriations subcommittee on behalf of his department's proposed budget for FY2015.

Apparently, Holder didn't think anyone would read his written submission, because he all-but-admitted that Obama intends to implement a Universal Gun Registry by executive fiat.
He also asked Congress to help fund so-called “smart gun” technology, which would prevent a gun from firing unless the shooter is wearing an accompanying bracelet or ring.
“Smart guns” are a dumb idea.

Given that “smart gun” technology only works about 80 percent of the time -- according to the New Jersey Institute of Technology -- gun owners almost universally consider this a “dumb” idea.
Even police have rejected the “dumb gun” approach for themselves.

Currently, there are no such guns on the market in the United States.  One gun store did briefly offer an Armatix .22 caliber earlier this year, but public outrage forced them to pull the handgun from the shelves.

Holder pushes a Universal Gun Registry

This year’s Obama budget shows how the administration is trying to quietly create the infrastructure for a universal gun registry.
In proposed “Program Increases” for the FBI, Holder has this to say:
“This program enhancement will double the capacity of the existing NICS [National Instant Check System] system.  These expansions are vital in ensuring that the NICS system can support a Universal Background Check requirement, which is expected to double gross NICS transactions.”

Huh?

It may have escaped the Attorney General's notice, but the Democrat Senate defeated his Universal Background Check requirement.
So, in effect, Holder's asking for $100 million and 524 personnel to implement a program Congress rejected.

But that's not all.
Holder seeking more ATF agents to copy to 4473 forms

In the section on ATF “Program Increases,” Holder demands $51.1 million and 255 agents and other personnel for enforcement and inspections.
In case anyone has forgotten, these are the people who are going to the FFL's in connection with “annual inspections” -- and physically copying all the 4473's and bound book entries.  GOA has reported on these efforts before, and one can read first-hand accounts from gun dealers here and here.

So under Holder's proposed budget, many more 4473's would be copied and fed into ATF's de facto registry.
At the same time, Obama's illegal Universal Background Check -- implemented, presumably, by executive fiat -- would ensure every gun transaction would have to go through an FFL.  And this, of course, would guarantee that every American gun owner would have a 4473 which can be copied.

Think about it.  With Republicans expected to take the Senate this fall -- and Obama stymied legislatively -- he has every incentive to go "full tyrant."  And that, apparently, is exactly what he intends to do.
But we have no intention to sit back and let Holder take away our Second Amendment rights.  We have drafted legislation to prohibit ATF from copying 4473's -- and to require it to destroy any 4473's it currently has.

UPDATE:  GOA recently alerted you that an import ban on certain ammunition could be forthcoming from the ATF.  Well, it’s official now -- the ATF just declared that Russian-made 7N6 5.45x39 ammo is armor piercing.  This lawlessness represents another reason that Congress needs to cut t he ATF’s budget.

edster48

Re: From GOA: Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2014, 09:08:40 PM »
You're right, O' butthead has zero reason NOT to go all out for the progressive fascist agenda.
They know that once these programs are in place the chances of them being shut down are nil.
I've said it before.....They can have my guns, they just have to come and take them.
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Re: From GOA: Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2014, 09:27:04 PM »
The problem I see is that they are going after the wrong group of people AGAIN.  But we all know their agenda is PEOPLE CONTROL and TAXES!
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2014, 09:43:05 PM »
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Re: From GOA: Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2014, 10:17:24 PM »
the best way to beat this is with non-compliance. being in Hawaii we are left in an awkward predicament where our local government knows where all the non-compliant citizens are and how many weapons we own. the choice is yours if when the time comes.

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Re: From GOA: Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2014, 11:06:43 PM »
the best way to beat this is with non-compliance. being in Hawaii we are left in an awkward predicament where our local government knows where all the non-compliant citizens are and how many weapons we own. the choice is yours if when the time comes.

HPD has no requirement to report firearms that leave the state.  Once guns are out-of-state, Hawaii state laws really don't care about them. 

If anything crazy happens that might make me violate some federal gun-grabbing law, I'm heading to the airport and buying my friend on the mainland a bigger safe!

(That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!) 
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

punaperson

Re: From GOA: Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2014, 06:34:40 AM »
Yeah yeah yeah.

Truth is, 99% of the people, to include those on this forum, will just go along with it.

If you haven't done anything so far, what makes you think you will do something when this goes through? And by do something, I mean more than writing letters and waiving 'don't tread on me' flags at the state capitol. If you haven't already realized, most legislators, specifically Hawaii's legislators, don't give two shits about you or your opinion, and everyone just sits around and continues to hope for the best, yet when it comes to time to impose our will against those who wish to suppress our freedoms and liberty, most seem to fade into the wall and play it safe/keep it on the down low.

It took a rise in taxes and general oversight warrants to start the American revolution, yet it is been 1000x worse in the past two years, and no one has done anything about it.

American Patriots / Defenders of Liberty and Freedom my ass.
Hey Q, I agree with your general assessment of government's/legislator's indifference to violating our rights. My question: what is your specific plan of action to deal with the situation? I believe quite a few people become "apolitical" because they conclude that "there's nothing I can do that will make any difference". Could you please tell us what you do, and/or what you suggest others might do to deal effectively with the current situation? Thanks!  :shaka:

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Re: From GOA: Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2014, 03:37:51 AM »
So what Q, you voting from the rooftops next.

re: BLM Bundy debacle not much to do from here unless donating to the various groups, keeping in touch with the feeds, or heading on over.  See you there right.
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2014, 04:38:20 AM »
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mauidog

Re: From GOA: Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2014, 06:52:28 AM »
Nah, why vote from roof tops when I can simply work for the winning side?

At least they mean what they say and say what they do on team 'FCK your freedoms', because they know that most of the people on this side of the isle aren't willing to go the extra mile, especially after everything that has transgressed.

Way I see it, why help fight for the freedom and righta of those who aren't willing to fight for themselves? Much easier to do what I need to in order to make sure my own stuff is safe, being that people think their reputation or occupation is more important than their rights and freedoms.

If that's the case, sign me up Barry.

Maybe you should get yourself a patch or t-shirt that says,

"I'm in the 97%"  or "XCVII" ??

 :'(
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edster48

Re: From GOA: Obama Budget Lays Groundwork for Universal Gun Registry
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2014, 09:34:56 AM »
Yeah yeah yeah.

Truth is, 99% of the people, to include those on this forum, will just go along with it.

If you haven't done anything so far, what makes you think you will do something when this goes through? And by do something, I mean more than writing letters and waiving 'don't tread on me' flags at the state capitol. If you haven't already realized, most legislators, specifically Hawaii's legislators, don't give two shits about you or your opinion, and everyone just sits around and continues to hope for the best, yet when it comes to time to impose our will against those who wish to suppress our freedoms and liberty, most seem to fade into the wall and play it safe/keep it on the down low.

It took a rise in taxes and general oversight warrants to start the American revolution, yet it is been 1000x worse in the past two years, and no one has done anything about it.

American Patriots / Defenders of Liberty and Freedom my ass.

I'm tired of this crap.
So what the hell are YOU  doing, besides sitting at your computer, bitching that the rest of us aren't doing "enough" Enlighten us O' defender of Freedom.
I don't recall seeing your ass at any of the HKNB meetings speaking your mind. I don't recall you standing next to me when I was talking to Greg Knudsen.
Talk about a fade into the woodwork.
So, again, enlighten us. Were you too busy gearing up to go down to the state legislature and "impose your will against those who wish to suppress our freedoms and liberty"?
Or were you playing World of Warcraft or some other stupid shit on your computer?
You may be right, the vast majority of people won't do anything and will comply, but you've got a lot of balls to accuse me and many others here of not doing enough when I see you doing squat.


Simple : Look at what's going on in Nevada right now.

If you don't want to do anything, then fine. But its quite irritating hearing people cry 'RAH RAH AMERICA!' and say how they are American patriots, yet when the time comes to escalate their approach, they say they can't because it might effect their job or something along those lines.

Either you fully commit to defending freedom and liberty to the fullest extent or you don't; there is no one foot in/one foot out BS, or simply doing the bare minimum so you can tell others you did something, and then avoiding what really needs to be done.

So when are you heading to Nevada, tough guy?
What are you doing to "escalate your approach".
Enlighten us.
When will you be "fully committing to defend freedom and liberty to the fullest extent"?
As far as I can see, you haven't even made the "bare minimum" qualification hotshot.


Nah, why vote from roof tops when I can simply work for the winning side?

At least they mean what they say and say what they do on team 'FCK your freedoms', because they know that most of the people on this side of the isle aren't willing to go the extra mile, especially after everything that has transgressed.

Way I see it, why help fight for the freedom and righta of those who aren't willing to fight for themselves? Much easier to do what I need to in order to make sure my own stuff is safe, being that people think their reputation or occupation is more important than their rights and freedoms.

If that's the case, sign me up Barry.

Oh! So now you're a turncoat!
Yeah, you're right. Why bother to do any of the stuff you just spewed, it's hot out there, no A/C or doughnuts.
Much easier to just think about yourself, right?
Again, you've got a lot of balls to bitch about the rest of us when you're apparently willing to sell us out to make sure "your stuff" is safe.

You know what? Kiss My Ass.  :-*

BTW, any time you want me to say this to your face, name the time and place sweetcheeks.

Enjoy your steaming cup of STFU.
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