Poll

If Hawaii was to become a Shall Issue State tomorrow would you apply for a CCW permit?

Yes
96.6%
No
0%
Don't Care
3.4%
Total Members Voted
118

Concealed Carry in Hawaii (Read 88332 times)

HiCarry

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #140 on: May 08, 2014, 11:43:24 AM »
Quote from: Dblnaknak on April 29, 2014, 10:04:13 AM:

Ill PM you next week. I'm off island till then.
Okay, it's the end of "next week"... any update on the scheduled "demonstration" (of CCW disarming of HiCarry by unarmed Dblnaknak)?  :shaka:
Still waiting.....

Bota-CS1

No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

Q

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« Reply #142 on: May 08, 2014, 03:24:53 PM »
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« Last Edit: December 14, 2016, 03:34:16 PM by Q »

bubba808

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #143 on: May 08, 2014, 06:55:28 PM »
HiCarry, This is what you wrote-verbatim:

"I suggest that anyone considering buying a gun for protection have a very frank discussion with themselves about whether or not you are capable of using it and taking a human life. If you are not fully committed to using that firearm and willing to take a life to protect you or your family, you shouldn't have a gun for that purpose. .......You do not, and I will repeat this, you do not shoot to wound!! You shoot to stop the threat, which means getting rounds into the largest area of the bad guy that will likely stop his progress. That means center mass. I'll say it again....you NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, shoot to wound. "

You have difficultly communicating simple concepts.  Say what you mean.
The definition of the word:
Wound-the act of inflicting an injury. 
Used in a sentence: The seargant was seriously wounded by the bullet.
"Shooting to wound" refers to use of a firearm to injure someone without killing them.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_to_wound
"Shoot to kill" refers to aiming shots with specific intention of causing fatal injury aka deadly force.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_to_kill


never, never, never shoot to wound can easily be understood as never shoot to injure without killing.


No. Again, you are incorrect and seem to have a great deal of difficulty grasping even simple concepts. You do not "shoot to wound" in part because it would damage your claim of fear of death or great bodily injury, as previously explained in great detail. And secondly, because trying to "shoot to wound" means attempting to hit a much smaller target under severe stress, which would greatly increase your chances of missing altogether.

But that does not mean that you "shoot to kill" either. You shoot to stop the threat so that your perceived fear of death or great bodily injury is eliminated. Don't interpret "don't shoot to wound" to mean "shoot to kill." It is incorrect tactically and legally. And in truth, most victims of gunshots by a handgun survive.....

Lets analyze your concept of "center mass" -Center mass. It’s ‘operations central’ for your body, houses your heart, a most important muscle that sends blood to all parts of your frame. Your lungs are also here and they are necessary for the balanced exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide. You got nerves, lots of nerves that pass through center mass. The vagus nerve for instance represents the golden highway of neurological life sustaining information between your brain and vital organs. This nerve is the master switch for heart rate and blood pressure. Turn off that switch, empty the pump of blood or puncture a lung and a person is likely to die—quickly. This folks is where we are going to put our bullets.

Now how can one misconstrue that?
Your weak, inconsistant arguments make your credibility appear questionable. 

mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #144 on: May 08, 2014, 07:05:22 PM »


HiCarry, This is what you wrote-verbatim:

"I suggest that anyone considering buying a gun for protection have a very frank discussion with themselves about whether or not you are capable of using it and taking a human life. If you are not fully committed to using that firearm and willing to take a life to protect you or your family, you shouldn't have a gun for that purpose. .......You do not, and I will repeat this, you do not shoot to wound!! You shoot to stop the threat, which means getting rounds into the largest area of the bad guy that will likely stop his progress. That means center mass. I'll say it again....you NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, shoot to wound. "

You have difficultly communicating simple concepts.  Say what you mean.
The definition of the word:
Wound-the act of inflicting an injury. 
Used in a sentence: The seargant was seriously wounded by the bullet.
"Shooting to wound" refers to use of a firearm to injure someone without killing them.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_to_wound
"Shoot to kill" refers to aiming shots with specific intention of causing fatal injury aka deadly force.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_to_kill


never, never, never shoot to wound can easily be understood as never shoot to injure without killing.


Lets analyze your concept of "center mass" -Center mass. It’s ‘operations central’ for your body, houses your heart, a most important muscle that sends blood to all parts of your frame. Your lungs are also here and they are necessary for the balanced exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide. You got nerves, lots of nerves that pass through center mass. The vagus nerve for instance represents the golden highway of neurological life sustaining information between your brain and vital organs. This nerve is the master switch for heart rate and blood pressure. Turn off that switch, empty the pump of blood or puncture a lung and a person is likely to die—quickly. This folks is where we are going to put our bullets.

Now how can one misconstrue that?
Your weak, inconsistant arguments make your credibility appear questionable.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

punaperson

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #145 on: May 08, 2014, 07:17:22 PM »
Your weak, inconsistant arguments make your credibility appear questionable.
Gotta be a troll. Granted, a troll that has problems with spelling and grammatical construction of sentences, otherwise the only explanation is REMAINDER OF COMMENT DELETED.

bubba808

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #146 on: May 08, 2014, 07:19:37 PM »
Gotta be a troll. Granted, a troll that has problems with spelling and grammatical construction of sentences, otherwise the only explanation is REMAINDER OF COMMENT DELETED.

lol, guess when you cant hold an intelligent conversation, you resort to petty name calling.  Speaks alot to your character. 
Scrubs.

mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #147 on: May 08, 2014, 07:21:59 PM »
lol, guess when you cant hold an intelligent conversation, you resort to petty name calling.  Speaks alot to your character. 
Scrubs.

Never pays to engage a troll with actual debate.  Wastes our time and gives the troll undeserved acknowledgment!

 :stopjack:
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Q

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« Reply #148 on: May 08, 2014, 07:37:56 PM »
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bubba808

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #149 on: May 08, 2014, 07:38:54 PM »
answer to poll question a resounding yes, have passport photo and fingerprint card ready and waiting.

answer to this poll, IMHO  is 105 of the 2500+ 2AHawaii forum members voted. 

Naturally members of a 2A forum will be pro firearm, yet less than 4.5% have voted in this poll.

I think there is alot of good info in the forum and people can read and decide for themselves

Q

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« Reply #150 on: May 08, 2014, 08:13:14 PM »
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« Last Edit: December 14, 2016, 03:34:45 PM by Q »

punaperson

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #151 on: May 08, 2014, 08:41:31 PM »
answer to this poll, IMHO  is 105 of the 2500+ 2AHawaii forum members voted. 

Naturally members of a 2A forum will be pro firearm, yet less than 4.5% have voted in this poll.

I think there is alot of good info in the forum and people can read and decide for themselves
Please explain how the statistical validity (or invalidity) of polling works based upon the number actually polled compared to the total number in the polled category group (e.g. total number of adult citizens of the United States, or total number of registered voters in the United States, etc.). In light of your assertion about the polling numbers on this question on this site being invalid due to the current self-selected sample being 4.5%, please explain how Gallup, Harris, Pew, etc. conduct their surveys and what percentage of the total potential group members they poll compared to the poll on this site. Thanks. I'm waiting to be educated.

Q

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« Reply #152 on: May 08, 2014, 08:53:04 PM »
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« Last Edit: December 14, 2016, 03:34:50 PM by Q »

mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #153 on: May 08, 2014, 09:32:09 PM »
I guess the fact that 70-80% of the members on this forum haven't been here in ages and/or don't participate doesn't count for anything  :crazy:

Since we are talking statistics now...  how about this ratio:  III% ...

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During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came.

Three Percenters today do not claim that we represent 3% of the American people, although we might. That theory has not yet been tested. We DO claim that we represent at least 3% of American gun owners, which is still a healthy number somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million people. History, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-three-percenter.html
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

bubba808

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #154 on: May 08, 2014, 09:39:42 PM »

mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #155 on: May 08, 2014, 09:46:00 PM »
http://reason.com/blog/2014/05/05/supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-major-seco

Is this what got all your panties in a bunch?

Are you really on a 2A site gloating about a setback in the courts for 2A rights?

An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

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Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #156 on: May 08, 2014, 09:52:41 PM »
Boys, go stand in the corner till I tell you to come out !!!

bubba808

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #157 on: May 08, 2014, 10:15:47 PM »
Are you really on a 2A site gloating about a setback in the courts for 2A rights?

No gloating, I'm asking is this why your panty is bunched up.  LoL.  Im asking if the reason for your inability to read and respond intellectually is impaired because you're blinded and frustrated by our countries highest courts denial to even hear the Drake case?  As Drake was specifically for CCW.  (punaperson, mauidog, and q) are a bunch of dilusional 2A extremists that can't accept the fact that there ALOT more to firearms than your pathetic dream of power trips due to inferiority complexes. 
You only post to alienate and distance members and supporters of the 2A community apart.  SMH. If this was not your intention, revisit your post and behavior, stick to presenting the facts and let the community decide for themselves without your agendas. 

mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #158 on: May 08, 2014, 10:27:58 PM »
No gloating, I'm asking is this why your panty is bunched up.  LoL.  Im asking if the reason for your inability to read and respond intellectually is impaired because you're blinded and frustrated by our countries highest courts denial to even hear the Drake case?  As Drake was specifically for CCW.  (punaperson, mauidog, and q) are a bunch of dilusional 2A extremists that can't accept the fact that there ALOT more to firearms than your pathetic dream of power trips due to inferiority complexes. 
You only post to alienate and distance members and supporters of the 2A community apart.  SMH. If this was not your intention, revisit your post and behavior, stick to presenting the facts and let the community decide for themselves without your agendas.

Go back and read YOUR posts.  Dissecting and analyzing people's word choices, vocabulary, understanding of word meanings, etc.is NOT the way to have an intelligent conversation.  You're quibbling, not having a discussion. 
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #159 on: May 08, 2014, 10:31:05 PM »
No gloating, I'm asking is this why your panty is bunched up.  LoL.  Im asking if the reason for your inability to read and respond intellectually is impaired because you're blinded and frustrated by our countries highest courts denial to even hear the Drake case?  As Drake was specifically for CCW.  (punaperson, mauidog, and q) are a bunch of dilusional 2A extremists that can't accept the fact that there ALOT more to firearms than your pathetic dream of power trips due to inferiority complexes. 
You only post to alienate and distance members and supporters of the 2A community apart. 
SMH. If this was not your intention, revisit your post and behavior, stick to presenting the facts and let the community decide for themselves without your agendas.

If you're a 2A supporter, I'm the man in the moon!
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper