Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad (Read 33450 times)

punaperson

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2014, 10:42:42 AM »
I'm always wary about former military running in civie leadership....my opinion.
So you don't think Tulsi Gabbard is progressive enough, or what?

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« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2014, 10:57:38 AM »
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ren

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2014, 12:07:31 PM »
So you don't think Tulsi Gabbard is progressive enough, or what?

Progressive yes but in light of representing our 2A rights, nope.
As far as I know she wasn't in the Green Zone.
I'm wary because military leadership is obviously very different from civilian leadership. For example, in Arizona there is no gun registration EXCEPT if you are on a military base. The grooming of military leaders are of course different from civ leadership - there's a myriad of examples. And this is just looking at it from a 2A perspective. If a political candidate had his/her entire career shaped around a military leadership role, one has to wonder if they have the ability to adjust to a civilian leadership role and not implement military style leadership. Remember the military is designed as a quasi-socialist organization.
One officer in mind would destroy our 2A.
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/gen

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/stanley-mcchrystal-gun-control_n_2431063.html
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« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2014, 01:47:26 PM »
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ren

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2014, 02:13:43 PM »
Have you ever seen LSA Anaconda? That place is a vacation spot.

And based upon the lack of a Combat Action Badge or any other military service award, other than the 3 awards that basically all soldiers who keep their nose clean get, it is pretty evident that she saw no combat, and was most likely not involved in any type of legitimate military patrol or combat situation, if she even left the base for that matter.

So your one example of a military officer is the same man whose 'work together with the people' policies in the middle east made it harder for soldiers as well? Newsflash: NO ONE LIKES MCCRYSTAL. He was a good general when he was in charge of SOCOM, but when he became regional commander for Afghanistan, his policies sucked balls and made it easier for the enemy and harder for the troops. Using him as an example of a service member being in public office is like saying BO is a prime example of what an American should be.

I find it offensive that you disregard previous military leaders/officers/commanders who have served in public office with distinction and honor, specifically people like LTC Allen West, or even Sen. Ron Paul. I don't know what 'grooming' you are talking about, because the best military commanders worked their way up from an enlisted private before transitioning over to become a commissioned officer, and when those men went on to serve in public office, they served their community/country well. The only grooming that takes place is for those officers who are ribbon chasers and want to fast track to COL or General, but they are shitty leaders who only care about themselves, and are not good examples of what a true military commander should be. Example of such people: Tulsi Gabbard.

 Like any organization, you will always have 3 types of people: those who do anything necessary to advance their career, those who don't have a backbone and do what they are told, and those who lead their men like a real leader should. Name one political or private organization that doesn't have these types of people present.

I agree with you. I know there are some good officers who would be great civie leaders and hence my use of the term wary - it was not my intent to be a blanket statement. I'm just speaking on my behalf, as a voter and on my beliefs. I don't represent anyone else. My one example was GEN McChrystal adn doesn't represent a great sample - I just used his beliefs as an example of what kind of regulation we can expect IF he was elected in office. Total hypothetical. It just seems that there are more liberal leaders in the spotlight in current news. i.e. Tulsi Gabbard and it seems that she is on her way to greater positions of leadership.
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xer 21

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2014, 06:56:16 PM »
Progressive yes but in light of representing our 2A rights, nope.


pretty sure he was being facetious.

Teichi

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2014, 08:30:36 PM »
pretty sure he was being facetious.
He does that quite a bit. We both seen quite a bit of this the Tulsi phenomena.

mauidog

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #67 on: May 10, 2014, 09:51:52 PM »
Shatz:  Over 300 Million guns in America...

Me:  That's right!  Consider the cost of firearms, ammunition, accessories, training, and government regulation. 

You should appreciate how this one sector has prospered, creating jobs in manufacturing, retail, and gun-related services. 

Most other areas of this economy have suffered under this president's administration.

You should be saying "Thank you, law-abiding gun owners of America!"
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

punaperson

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2014, 06:22:13 AM »
Shatz:  Over 300 Million guns in America...

Me:  That's right!  Consider the cost of firearms, ammunition, accessories, training, and government regulation. 

You should appreciate how this one sector has prospered, creating jobs in manufacturing, retail, and gun-related services. 

Most other areas of this economy have suffered under this president's administration.

You should be saying "Thank you, law-abiding gun owners of America!"
Schatz response: Gun bad. More guns more bad. Gun bad. More guns more bad. Gun bad. More guns more bad. Gun bad. More guns more bad. Gun bad. More guns more bad. For the children.

mauidog

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #69 on: May 11, 2014, 10:29:32 AM »
Schatz response: Gun bad. More guns more bad. Gun bad. More guns more bad. Gun bad. More guns more bad. Gun bad. More guns more bad. Gun bad. More guns more bad. For the children.

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1.  a fear of firearms, usually irrationally based on lack of knowledge, understanding, and familiarization.

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An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

mauidog

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2014, 11:40:31 PM »
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

digital808

Re: Bryan Shatz Anti Gun TV Ad
« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2014, 06:14:24 AM »
He wants to ban "assault weapons".....does this include knives and anything that can be used as a weapon to assault someone or something?  That's my interpretation of his ad!