Bees Wax for Bullet Lube (Read 5951 times)

Mr. Farknocker

Bees Wax for Bullet Lube
« on: May 20, 2014, 02:34:17 PM »
Just wondering how many of you make your own bullet lube and whether you've tried bees wax? It's purported to be superior to paraffin or wax but difficult to find (or should I say difficult to find at a decent price). I had a hard time finding the stuff and ended up calling the contact person for a local bees keeper association and was referred to another bee keeper. I was told that the bee keepers usually keep their stuff to make and sell candles but occasionally sell them at neighborhood food fares. I finally found some at Ben Franklins in Kaimuki. Good ole' Ben's was selling a 1lbs. block for $25! When I saw the price, I said to my self, "Thank God for Lee Liquid Alox!" Fortunately, I've sourced some bees wax from Southeast Asia at a much-reduced price and am wondering whether there's a demand for the stuff.

Kamakeloa

Re: Bees Wax for Bullet Lube
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2014, 03:10:18 PM »
$25 a pound!  Wow!  Early on in my shooting career I mixed my own lube but gradually found it easier to just buy the commercial lube instead.  I used to have a neighbor that kept bees and I think I still have a small supply that he gave me 25-30 years ago.  I'll check later tonight when I get home.  I have always used the old standby NRA 50/50 formula lube and don't see any reason to change to the harder wax based lubes.  The harder wax lubes are not as messy but I've been faithful to the 50/50 mix and put up with the mess because of the accuracy benefits.  I have an almost lifetime supply of the 50/50 sticks salted away and can spare a stick if you haven't already tried beeswax/alox lubes. 

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Kingkeoni

Re: Bees Wax for Bullet Lube
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2014, 05:14:15 PM »
Just wondering how many of you make your own bullet lube

None of your bees wax!!!
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Mr. Farknocker

Bees Wax for Bullet Lube
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2014, 06:52:42 PM »
Look up FortuneCookie45 on youtube; he will teach you the ancient chinese secrets for homemade bullet lube on the cheap.

I actually saw Fourtunecookie45's DIY bullet lube video and exchanged PMs with him. He's a cool guy and I like his DIY videos. I gave up on trying to find bees wax for my first attempt at making my own lube and opted for the 50/50 mix of candle wax and petroleum jelly. The lube came out a little sticky so i added more wax to harden the lube. I found a large candle (3" diam X 8" long) at goodwill for just $3. The Petroleum jelly cost just $5.
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oldfart

Re: Bees Wax for Bullet Lube
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2014, 06:04:42 AM »
None of your bees wax!!!
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Clown.
But seriously, I use local beeswax when I can find it. Mix it with alox2138f.
Alox2138f was discontinued, but replaced with alox350.
Anyhow, my lube formula is 70% beeswax and 30% alox2138f.
It is less messy than 50/50 and is adequate for 45ACp.
Application is via Star machine with a homemade heater at the base to help that firm mixture flow smoothly.
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Mr. Farknocker

Re: Bees Wax for Bullet Lube
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2014, 04:41:16 PM »
Nice vid!

What sort of mold were you using? I only have Lee molds. Not the best but inexpensive and cheap to replace. The 2 bullet TL356-124-RN (9mm) crapped out on me after about a thousand rounds when the alignment pins fell out. I tried to drill and thread a screw stop hole but ended up breaking the threading tap in the hole. The alignment-pin-falling-out problem was exacerbated by my striking the sprue plate handle with a wooden stick covered with rubber. If I had to do it again, I would use a gloved hand to open the sprue instead. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a thousand raps on an aluminum mold is not good. I ended up buying a 6-bullet SWC instead of buying another RN mold because I wasn't thrilled with the accuracy of the round.  I opted for the traditional lube groove design just so that I could justify fussing with wax and bullet lubes.

I also picked up an excellent pointer on youtube that made the first drop easier on a 6 banger. If you preheat the sprue plate with a butane torch before pouring  your first batch, cutting the sprue is easy. I broke a brand new sprue lever on my first pull before learning that trick.

I tried water quenching and throwing the bullets onto a damp towel before going back to water quenching. I've read articles that talked about water quenching as having no effect on the hardness of the lead so I'm not exactly sold on quenching for that purpose but discovered that by water quenching, you avoid dinging up the bullets when you drop them from the mold.  Apparently, the lead is still too soft when you release them from the mold. Water quenching them hardens them quickly and avoids the problem altogether.

Bees wax...after posting my question about BW, I was given about 8 lbs of the stuff from a friend who bought it in another country. I'll have to mix up a batch just to see how it compares against my mixture of parafin and petroleum jelly (60/40).

oldfart

Re: Bees Wax for Bullet Lube
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2014, 07:16:39 AM »
Nice vid!

What sort of mold were you using? I only have Lee molds. Not the best but inexpensive and cheap to replace. The 2 bullet TL356-124-RN (9mm) crapped out on me after about a thousand rounds when the alignment pins fell out. I tried to drill and thread a screw stop hole but ended up breaking the threading tap in the hole. The alignment-pin-falling-out problem was exacerbated by my striking the sprue plate handle with a wooden stick covered with rubber. If I had to do it again, I would use a gloved hand to open the sprue instead. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a thousand raps on an aluminum mold is not good. I ended up buying a 6-bullet SWC instead of buying another RN mold because I wasn't thrilled with the accuracy of the round.  I opted for the traditional lube groove design just so that I could justify fussing with wax and bullet lubes.

I also picked up an excellent pointer on youtube that made the first drop easier on a 6 banger. If you preheat the sprue plate with a butane torch before pouring  your first batch, cutting the sprue is easy. I broke a brand new sprue lever on my first pull before learning that trick.

I tried water quenching and throwing the bullets onto a damp towel before going back to water quenching. I've read articles that talked about water quenching as having no effect on the hardness of the lead so I'm not exactly sold on quenching for that purpose but discovered that by water quenching, you avoid dinging up the bullets when you drop them from the mold.  Apparently, the lead is still too soft when you release them from the mold. Water quenching them hardens them quickly and avoids the problem altogether.

Bees wax...after posting my question about BW, I was given about 8 lbs of the stuff from a friend who bought it in another country. I'll have to mix up a batch just to see how it compares against my mixture of parafin and petroleum jelly (60/40).
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Well, I use a pair of 6 cav. Lee molds in 45-200 SWC. Alternating while casting to allow sufficient cooling time. Those aluminum molds get hot and frosty quick!
The 2 molds that I have are ever-so-slightly different, as one of them was new and the other a used gun show find. So I drop onto separate collection boxes.
You started out in much the same way that I did some 30+ years ago. I used a LEE 2 cav. 45-228 RN mold. But that bullet was not so accurate.
Over the years, I used Saeco molds which are wonderful. Then I found an H&G #68/ 6 cav mold. That mold throws great bullets, but it is an endangered species. So I stopped using it.
I always liked the casting qualities of aluminum, so when LEE introduced the 6 cav production molds, I jumped on it. They are cheap and repair parts are easy.
I also liked the cammed sprue cutter.
I used to subscribe to the "harder-is-better" philosophy, but it seems that is not the greatest idea in my case. I used to water quench the bullets and my tests showed that water does make the
alloy harder. But in order to achieve the increased hardness, you need to have a few percent antimony in your mix, or it won't work.
In recent years, commercial casters have started to soften their alloys with the reason being that the bullet would upset better and provide superior bore obturation.
So I stopped adding so much lino and stopped quenching too. FYI, the bullet continues to harden post-cast regardless of quenching. It takes about 3 weeks to stabilize.
So the hot tip is to size the bullet as soon as possible while it is still soft.
Now with the alloy being a little softer I do notice a little increase in accuracy. The only thing I worry about is meplat deformation as the bullet slams the feed ramp.
I suppose a hard alloy would have less deformation, but I do not know if it makes much difference in the 45.
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I think this post really belongs in a different thread. I'm going to copy this to a more appropriate place.
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