Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process (Read 34167 times)

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Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« on: June 06, 2014, 02:04:20 PM »
Does anyone know, when Kaiser Permanente stopped giving medical clearance for Firearm Permits. 

 

djsmiles808

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2014, 02:07:39 PM »
 :wtf:

kumaWRX

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2014, 02:40:30 PM »
I have Kaiser medical and applied for two handgun and one long gun permits this past May 16th and picked up my permits on the 30th with no problems at all.  When did you apply?

mauidog

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2014, 02:57:53 PM »
Unless I'm mistaken, those clearance letters are only required for firearm permit applicants who were ordered to receive counseling for things like DUI, illegal drug abuse, etc.

See this fabulous chart:  https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=222.msg770#msg770

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6. If you were convicted of a DUI, you need to bring in a substance abuse assessment from District Court Drivers License Education. (IF counseling was ordered, a medical clearance is also required.)
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stangzilla

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2014, 03:01:54 PM »
were you rejected and given that letter?



I have kaiser also and have had no problems at all.
I've seen that letter over a year ago, but it was never given to me.

reloadme

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 03:03:11 PM »
No DUI or Drug Abuse that qI know of, acquired firearm aprrox 1 month ago.
Put in a call to my Kaiser doctor to explain.   ???

mauidog

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 03:07:46 PM »
No DUI or Drug Abuse that qI know of, acquired firearm aprrox 1 month ago.
Put in a call to my Kaiser doctor to explain.   ???

 :popcorn:

Your teen years must have been one biig party!   :rofl:
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stangzilla

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 03:26:00 PM »
No DUI or Drug Abuse that qI know of, acquired firearm aprrox 1 month ago.
Put in a call to my Kaiser doctor to explain.   ???


so you got the firearm?

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Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 09:01:06 PM »
If there is no negative reponse from the HMO the PD will release the paperwork. If the HMO sends back the paper to HPD with some info then you in trouble

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Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2014, 08:33:55 AM »
Only had one handgun permit since getting Kaiser, and one yearly rifle permit to buy, and not a peep.

reloadme

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2014, 02:11:37 PM »
Spoke to my Kaiser physician, all be taken care of!!   :-*

HiCarry

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2014, 09:37:18 AM »
Does anyone know, when Kaiser Permanente stopped giving medical clearance for Firearm Permits. 

 
This notice was sent out about 2 years ago...the "clearance" they mention is if someone gets denied a permit to acquire. The irony in them denying plan coverage from the required "clearance" is that there is a good chance that the denial originated from Kaiser in the first place. So, on one hand, Kaiser doesn't have a problem saying you can't own a gun for some reason, and on the other hand say their doctors don't feel comfortable in saying you should be able to....

stangzilla

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 05:11:06 PM »
if you are in kaiser and use their wi-fi, it blocks you from anything gun oriented
blocks anything with weapons.

Obama lovers.   >:(

renny10n

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2014, 12:57:25 AM »
Aloha!
  I am also a Kaiser subscriber and also currently facing this same dilemma.   I just started buying/collecting approx. 8 or 9 firearms(hand gun, strip AR lowers,etc.) over the course of 2 yrs.and more recently bought a revolver this past Mar./April 2014.  Not a peep like another member mention.  On 02June 2014 I went in to do the required paper work as usual for a couple of other firearms,  seemed like the  normal M.O., maybe another form was added though?  Pickup date for the permit set for the 18th to the 24th.

 Then it all began on Tue., the 9th., I get a call from the firearms division,.   I was informed that the Kaiser letter head they received would deny me from acquiring the permits. He said the statement was a blanket general statement saying "yes, patient has been treated" or some thing like that.  I was totally taken back by that and stated I have never had a history, nor been diagnosed or treated for any of the 5 five symptoms mentioned. It was mentioned that a lot of other Kaiser subscribers are facing the same problem. The Kaiser letter head is written with no specifics or details, just yes been treated. So, for liability purposes, understandably can't proceed. He said they had a form/guideline to which I needed to get from them for the  medical clearance and suggested that perhaps might be best to go to an outside doctor and pay out of pocket to get the clearance. I needed to deliver my copy to them by the coming up Fri.(13th) and also the dr. needs to fax a copy by the same.  If not, I would have to start the application process all over again, once cleared.

  So, I take 4hrs. emergency leave from work @ 1230 and leave Kaneohe.  Luckily, parking was not too much of a hassle.  I get the form and could'nt help but feel like I was  targeted by some anti-gun advocate and at the same time couldn't help but laugh because the paper says the medical clearance has to state that I " no longer" have these substance abuse, mental health defects, issues.  I was told, from now on I would have to get this clearance every time I apply for a handgun permit/ once a year for long arms permit.

 Now, off to Kaiser Ko'olau to figure this mess out and clear my name/ record of the false info.  Spent approx. 1 hour there, to which they produced the same above unsigned Kaiser statement.  I mentioned that the medical clearance at HPD is Kaiser's own form and that the requested information is not about approving or allowing the subscriber to acquire or own firearms, but rather the inquiry is about whether or not if the subscriber has been treated or is being treated for one of the following(substance abuse, addiction, mental disorders, etc. that would prevent them from acquiring a firearm.  At this same time I also request a copy of all my medical records and asked for my Dr. to make a formal statement to clear my name/records that I have never had a history or been treated for anything .   I made a call back to HPD and the same officer gave me the name of the Doctor who wrote and signed the letter head" Benjamin Tamura, MD Assoc. Director"   Now this got me alarmed because, for one, I never met this man, he is not by my primary physician as I had put down/required on the form, nor been treated by him in any way.  The receptionist helping me inquired to whom this physician was and gave me the following: Dr. Benjamin Tamura of the Bariatric Dept., Moanalua(weight loss).  Receptionist said she also, set up a telephone appt. w/ my Dr.- she will call (have yet to receive)

 Arrive at home, get a call back from Kaiser Ko'olau, said they went through all my records and found nothing in my internal medicine records.  However, have to check behavior health dept. and check with them, since they could not view/open those records?   Called behavior health and explain my situation, but nothing popped up at all.

 So, I thought the next step would be to use the contact info given to me for Dr. Tamura's Bariatric Dept.  Figure, he could pin point what he went by to making his decision.  Receptionist said she had forward my info for calling me back.  Have not received a courtesy call as of yet and franklin I don't think he will ever.

 Fri. the 13th could not make the dead line to procure a clearance, so I called Al (Ready on the Right) that there will a delay until this issue is resolved.  Next step will probably be to make an appointment w/ my Dr. to just specify that none of these conditions ever exited.  Then perhaps to contact the Kaiser Legal Dept. and request a prompt reply to what is going on and why is this doctor that I never met or made contact with, nor is my primary physician made a false and adversed statement about my medical well being/ medical records.  will post the HPD medical clearance guideline for viewing, when time permits.  until then aloha!  ....renny

Jl808

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2014, 06:38:09 AM »
That's a shame.

Making a note not to sign up with Kaiser medical health insurance ever.
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stangzilla

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2014, 07:11:04 AM »
this really sucks.
I hope you get this worked out.
I hope its not just a simple over sight and miscommunication between Kaiser docs and form senders.
with a big company like this, i would not doubt its some mistaken identitiy or simple slip of the numbers on your kaiser member number.

let us know when you get to bottom of this. 

s197

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2014, 07:47:09 AM »
What would happen if you didn't fill in the portion of the form where it asks for doctor information?  If I recall correctly, you don't have to have a doctor.  In that case, how would they even know to contact Kaiser?

suka

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2014, 07:59:26 AM »
What would happen if you didn't fill in the portion of the form where it asks for doctor information?  If I recall correctly, you don't have to have a doctor.  In that case, how would they even know to contact Kaiser?
I have left it blank N/A for years.


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reloadme

Re: Kaiser Permanente Medical Clearence - HPD Permit Process
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2014, 08:46:34 AM »
To:  renny10n

Went through the same process with Kaiser!
Spoke to my personal physician, he stands by the policy in fear of losing his job.
Also my doctor, "off the record" could not confirm any of the 3 conditions for denial.
Currently seeking legal advise!    :wtf:

muddygirl808

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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2014, 06:44:34 PM »
My husband has hit the same problem with Kaiser.  No records at all.  No documentation in his chart that this letter was even sent.  The info sent to HPD is vague...but Kaiser states that a medical clearance to acquire firearms is not a covered benefit under my health plan so he can't go to anyone within Kaiser to obtain the clearance.  His PCP states that there is nothing in his file that should raise a flag.  It's VERY frustrating to go through this process.