Why choose 5.56 over .223 ammo? (Read 11674 times)

drck1000

Re: Why choose 5.56 over .223 ammo?
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2014, 12:19:28 PM »
I shoot 5.56 because OGC or SEC always have deals on it in bulk.
And that's what I'm zero'd for.  ( 55grainers )

However, out of my MVP bolt gun ( 5.56 chamber ) I shoot mostly .223 because I shoot 62 grain SPs and there's a lot of hunting rounds available in 223.
( and I don't even really hunt  but just in case i have the chance )

+1. Just because that's my current zero.

Does the Zero change a lot from 5.56 to .223 ?
Never really tried to compare head to head.

I've done some testing and it does affect zero slightly.  I typically zero at 50 yards and I'll notice a slight shift at that range, but that can probably be partially because I only shoot with a 2 MOA, unmagnified red dot.  So I'm not expecting super-duper accuracy.  Well, honestly more a limitation on me than the optic. . .  :'(   I like to think/believe that my groups would improve with a magnified optic.  Haha

Last two times I went to the mainland for carbine classes, I shot Federal .223 Rem at the class since that was available locally.  I did notice that both times I had to adjust my T-1 slightly to zero at 50 yards.  I don't think the optic shifted in transit and I also had to adjust when I came back home.  Not enough that I would worry about it too much though when going back and forth between the two. 

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The difference between 5.56 and.223
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2014, 04:03:32 PM »
The differences really come into play with the starting path of the bullet and the unrifled portion of the chamber ahead of the rifling, called the leade. A narrower (less diameter) leade keeps the bullet from tipping as it moves forward, which enhances accuracy. A larger leade allows for more buildup and gunk and thus greater reliability.

At the end of the leade is the rifling. To prevent bullet mangling, the rifling has an angle on its front face to allow the bullet to slide in and smoothly begin rotating. The steeper this angle (within reason) the more quickly the bullet is controlled by the rifling and thus potentially delivering greater accuracy. However, the steeper the angle, the more the bullet “stalls” on engaging the rifling and the greater the pressure spike.


The 5.56 chamber has a slightly longer leade and shallower rifling angle, allowing the 5.56 cartridge to be loaded to higher pressures.
A shallower angle on the rifling—in effect, a longer ramp—also creates a longer effective leade, as the ogive of the bullet has to travel a greater distance before it engages shallow-angle rifling than it would with steep-angle rifling.[/color]
When the .223 was invented, it was meant as a benchrest and varmint round. As such, accuracy was paramount. Velocity was a good thing, but not if it meant losing accuracy. So the .223 was designed with a short leade and steep rifling engagement, which is fine for shooting varmints or targets.

When the Army was forced to adopt the M16, however, it tried to avoid adoption by moving the goalposts, insisting on 500 yard penetration performance. To get that, the designers had to boost pressure and velocity. To control pressure (and also to get full utility out of tracer ammo, which uses bullets nearly twice as long as typical full metal jacket ammo), they modified the shape of the leade and rifling angle. And later, taking advantage of the longer leade and gentler angle, ammo makers tuned the 5.56 round to maximum performance using that extra margin.

.223 Remington chamber
By contrast, the .223 Remington has a shorter leade and sharper rifling angle, the design stemming from a desire for top accuracy.
Today, the difference can be marked. The leade on a proper 5.56 chamber is twice or more than that of a .223 chamber, and the onset angle of the 5.56 rifling creates a ramp with four times the distance. Firing .223 in a .223 chamber, or a 5.56 chamber, is not a problem. But firing real-deal 5.56 ammo in a .223 chamber can be a big problem.

The SAAMI-spec maximum average pressure for the .223, measured at the middle of the case, is 55,000 psi. The NATO spec for 5.56 is determined by SAAMI’s European counterpart, CIP. CIP measures at the case mouth and lists the 5.56 pressure spec of 62,000 psi. Measured at the case middle as SAAMI does, it shows 60,000 psi—so either way it’s higher than the .223.

But the problem isn’t just pressure. That CIP pressure of 62,000 psi? It is measured in a 5.56 chamber. If we take the same round, which shows 60,000 psi per SAAMI (which is already 5,000 psi over the .223 max) and put it into a .223 chamber, things get ugly. The pressure spike piles onto an already over-pressure round.

Read more: http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2012/02/02/5-56-and-223-are-they-different/#ixzz38FkRLxQW
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Rocky

Re: Why choose 5.56 over .223 ammo?
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2014, 10:47:53 AM »
I like Mil-Spec/LEO ammo at all times.
5.56 has Crimped primer, sealed casing to bullet more velocity etc...

When needed, all ammo/zeros will be the same for all firearms
In distance, I see a difference in zero even between 193, 855 and tacticle bonded 5.56
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Rocky

Re: Why choose 5.56 over .223 ammo?
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2014, 09:03:15 AM »
Update to my earlier post regarding mil-spec/LEO ammo.
Last weekend was shooting with friends when someone used my AR with their  "off the shelf" ammo.
Suddenly there was FTE/FTF issues.
Rifle was still clean and lubed.

   Brought home, disassemled only to find a primer had come loose and managed (at 1,000,000,000,000 to 1 odds) to find it's way into the BCG Key tube.
A perfect fit !
I replaced the key as the primer was so smashed into the tube, it was unreasonable to remove it with out damaging the key any further, but I wanted and ainstalled a new Spikes BCG anyway.  :love:
The old BCG has become part of my "extra parts" kit
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s197

Re: Why choose 5.56 over .223 ammo?
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2014, 12:01:58 PM »
Update to my earlier post regarding mil-spec/LEO ammo.
Last weekend was shooting with friends when someone used my AR with their  "off the shelf" ammo.
Suddenly there was FTE/FTF issues.
Rifle was still clean and lubed.

   Brought home, disassemled only to find a primer had come loose and managed (at 1,000,000,000,000 to 1 odds) to find it's way into the BCG Key tube.
A perfect fit !
I replaced the key as the primer was so smashed into the tube, it was unreasonable to remove it with out damaging the key any further, but I wanted and ainstalled a new Spikes BCG anyway.  :love:
The old BCG has become part of my "extra parts" kit

Wow that is crazy odds.   Do you recall who manufactured the ammo?