i have the pro auto on my load master. with the disk. try and ask around to trade your trueblue for some similar powder flake like BE.

Mahalo.

O.F. mahalo for the increment info and tips.   Autocomp is bigger than AA #7 but never tried to meter in Pro disk.   Will try both and if leaks I will use the Dillon powder measure and die.   Was just lazy in cleaning out different powders and cheap Charlie in buying a 2nd Dillon since I got the Lee.
You lube every case even using carbide dies?   I wasn't sure of the amount of crimp but will lighten up just to remove the bell.   I don't have a chrono for pistol use and appreciate your help in testing my loads. 

Mic808 you had powder leaks with the Lee?   Do you have the Pro or Auto disk measure and do you use the charge bar or disks?   I also have 1 lb. of True blue unopened so mahalo for the tip.   I would get Bullseye  or similar powder if available but seems to be out.  Since I got the AA #7, will use it up and look out for larger ball powder.

I will let you guys know how the Autocomp works in the Lee Pro.   BTW just saw that Bing has good pics of some different powders when you search for Hodgdon, Accurate etc. powders. 
Thanks for your help and replies.

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Re. Lube, crimp, powder...
Yes, I lube all my pistol brass just prior to loading. It reduces the stress on the brass, press, and your body.
Crimp till the case mouth is around 0.374 inch typical. Factory ammo is bigger, but they also use a sealer to hold the bullet that you can't see unless you pull the bullet.
If I were a betting man, I would put my money on autocomp to achieve the desired effect.

Roger that, thanks O.F.

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Re. Lube, crimp, powder...
Yes, I lube all my pistol brass just prior to loading. It reduces the stress on the brass, press, and your body.
Crimp till the case mouth is around 0.374 inch typical. Factory ammo is bigger, but they also use a sealer to hold the bullet that you can't see unless you pull the bullet.
If I were a betting man, I would put my money on autocomp to achieve the desired effect.

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Update 9/8/15
Mr "whynow" gave me some loads he created and the clear winner was autocomp powder.
In fact it seemed to be exactly what one would desire in a simulator load. Perfect speed and low deviation.
Power factor was 139 from my standard G17 so it would be great for competition use too.

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Update 9/8/15
Mr "whynow" gave me some loads he created and the clear winner was autocomp powder.
In fact it seemed to be exactly what one would desire in a simulator load. Perfect speed and low deviation.
Power factor was 139 from my standard G17 so it would be great for competition use too.

aloha OF
did you ever get to continue the 147 gr project?

what was the load for the autocomp?

mahalo

aloha OF
did you ever get to continue the 147 gr project?

what was the load for the autocomp?

mahalo

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Sorry, i can't chrono the carbine on the pistol range and the thought of hauling the stuff over to the rifle side was not appealing to me.
I have to dedicate one day just for rifle shooting. Then we shall see just how subsonic those rounds really are. I have a feeling one of those is going super from a long bbl.

O.F. , mahalo for your time and effort and the great info.

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Sorry, i can't chrono the carbine on the pistol range and the thought of hauling the stuff over to the rifle side was not appealing to me.
I have to dedicate one day just for rifle shooting. Then we shall see just how subsonic those rounds really are. I have a feeling one of those is going super from a long bbl.

i wonder if DL allows you to chrono some load on HDF open shoot day for your 147 gr load project.

what was the load for the autocomp?

mahalo

Mac, I know you addressed O.F. and hope you guys don't mind me butting in, but the load with Autocomp was 5.2 - 5.4 gr.  Used RP and Speer brass with CCI SPP and 124 GDHP bullets.
Bought the powder at Roy's Fishing a while back.

Mac, I know you addressed O.F. and hope you guys don't mind me butting in, but the load with Autocomp was 5.2 - 5.4 gr.  Used RP and Speer brass with CCI SPP and 124 GDHP bullets.
Bought the powder at Roy's Fishing a while back.

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That's fine. We did have a pm chat about your test loads yesterday.

Updated info...
When I first started this thread, I only had 1 old box of speer gd factory ammo.
Since then, macsak let me use a newer lot of factory ammo for testing.
It tested about 3% faster at 1148 from my g17.
Therefore, I might revise my cfe pistol load to 5.5 gr. Which is max load on the hogdon website.
Theoretically, that would bring it up to about 1145, which is more in line with the newer lot of factory ammo.
At this point, we're really splitting hairs.
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Btw the factory spec is 1150 so we're really close.

has anyone tried using the Montana Gold 124 gr jacketed hollow points?

it seems that it's way cheaper by the case, but i have to really ask myself if i can justify shelling out $360.

http://montanagoldbullet.com/index.php/cases/9mm-124gr-jhp.html

has anyone tried using the Montana Gold 124 gr jacketed hollow points?

it seems that it's way cheaper by the case, but i have to really ask myself if i can justify shelling out $360.

http://montanagoldbullet.com/index.php/cases/9mm-124gr-jhp.html

I use Montana Gold Bullets almost exclusively for target practice and plinking with handguns. And I shoot the 124gr JHP's. I get very good accuracy from them and as you pointed out they are inexpensive especially when purchased in larger quantities.

But I do not use them for self defense as they are not designed to expand when they hit something.

I use Montana Gold Bullets almost exclusively for target practice and plinking with handguns. And I shoot the 124gr JHP's. I get very good accuracy from them and as you pointed out they are inexpensive especially when purchased in larger quantities.

same here
see if you can find someone to split the case with you
measure by weight or volume to figure out the split

But I do not use them for self defense as they are not designed to expand when they hit something.

interesting, i did not know that
so they are just using  the design because it is better ballistically, and not for expansion?

interesting, i did not know that
so they are just using  the design because it is better ballistically, and not for expansion?

They also punch a cleaner hole than FMJ.

same here
see if you can find someone to split the case with you
measure by weight or volume to figure out the split

If you have to split a case you don't shoot enough! 

has anyone tried using the Montana Gold 124 gr jacketed hollow points?

it seems that it's way cheaper by the case, but i have to really ask myself if i can justify shelling out $360.

http://montanagoldbullet.com/index.php/cases/9mm-124gr-jhp.html

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I have used mg bullets and they are excellent. They are superior to xtreme bullets in most applications.
In their current design, it looks like they extended the nose, similar to hornady xtp. Hard to tell by the picture tho...
If I was a hardcore race gun competitor mg would be my choice of bullet.
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However in this case where the goal is to simulate hpd issue ammo, xtreme 124 hp is better because:
1- the nose profile is more similar to gold dots and
2- the cost is significantly less. About 25% less. That appeals to the pake side.
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Re. Self defense use...stick with factory ammo. Period.

interesting, i did not know that
so they are just using  the design because it is better ballistically, and not for expansion?

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My thought...
Apparently a hollow cavity shifts the balance point slightly which is supposed to make it more accurate.
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When MG designed their hollow point, I don't think they had terminal ballistic performance as a primary goal.
I just remembered that I found a MG loaded round at the range, so I dissected it.
See the comparison between MG and Hornady XTP which was designed from the ground up for "Extreme Terminal Performance"
Note the difference in depth of the cavity.
HAP= hornady action pistol
XTP=hornady extreme terminal performance
MG=montana gold