Honolulu PD has MRAPS? (Read 22644 times)

punaperson

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2014, 06:26:04 AM »


Here is a link to a Detroit Free Press article that has a searchable database for military surplus equipment given to police departments, by state and county. Since this shows 3 MRAPs going to Honolulu county on March 3, 2014, it's likely the same database relied on by the New York Times.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140817/NEWS06/140726001/?appSession=835117161719430&cbSearchAgain=true&AppKey=36701000b255adcfe6ca4b13a8a4

State   County   Item Name                                             Quantity   UI                    Value               Ship Date
HI   HONOLULU   CLOSE QUARTERS BATT                           3    Unknown               $0.00                  4/23/2011
HI   HONOLULU   ILLUMINATOR,INFRARED                           2   Each               $7,786.31                  7/29/2009
HI   HONOLULU   IMAGE INTENSIFIER,NIGHT VISION   4   Unknown               $0.00                    3/24/2011
HI   HONOLULU   MINE RESISTANT VEHICLE                   3   Each             $412,000.00                    3/3/2014
HI   HONOLULU   RACK,TALL                                                    2   EA                   $1,268.10   
HI   HONOLULU   TRUCK,UTILITY                                            1   Each            $25,000.00                    3/19/2012
HI   HONOLULU   TRUCK,UTILITY                                            1   Each            $25,000.00                   12/6/2012
HI   HONOLULU   TRUCK,UTILITY                                            1   Each            $25,000.00                   12/6/2012
HI   HONOLULU   TRUCK,UTILITY                                            1   Each            $25,000.00                   12/6/2012

ren

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2014, 06:56:54 AM »
There's a lot more than just giving .mil equipment away. Driving an MRAP is not like driving a Ford F150. The brakes require you to stomp on them. I almost hit a BMW when I drove it around Schofield. I thought I was stopped.
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Jl808

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2014, 07:01:07 AM »
Hmmm ... so if HPD doesn't have the 3 MRAPs as Surf said, where did they go?
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ren

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2014, 07:28:53 AM »
Hmmm ... so if HPD doesn't have the 3 MRAPs as Surf said, where did they go?
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Jl808

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2014, 09:25:46 AM »
That's quite a sales commission!  :rofl:
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Q

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2014, 11:31:37 AM »
There's a lot more than just giving .mil equipment away. Driving an MRAP is not like driving a Ford F150. The brakes require you to stomp on them. I almost hit a BMW when I drove it around Schofield. I thought I was stopped.

Wrong again.

MRAPs have had improved braking systems since 2009, and were getting retrofitted with new braking systems, along with the new suspensions, since 2010 in order to recycle vehicles for units that could not get MATVs.

Please stop trying to act like the resident MRAP expert if you have not even drove our worked on a retrofitted one recently; you are just disseminating false, outdated information.

P.S. If you can drive an F150, you can drive an MRAP. Only difference is how you or the truck into gear.

ren

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2014, 11:38:36 AM »
Wrong again.

MRAPs have had improved braking systems since 2009, and were getting retrofitted with new braking systems, along with the new suspensions, since 2010 in order to recycle vehicles for units that could not get MATVs.

Please stop trying to act like the resident MRAP expert if you have not even drove our worked on a retrofitted one recently; you are just disseminating false, outdated information.

P.S. If you can drive an F150, you can drive an MRAP. Only difference is how you or the truck into gear.
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I never stated I was an expert just relating my experience. I'm a short lil asian guy who had a hard time stopping the thing, so obviously I wasn't an expert by any means.
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I don't sell, repair or am an SME on MRAPs

I haven't seen the HPD with any MRAPs thus far.
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sworbeyegib

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2014, 03:37:26 PM »
I am very against the militarization of police. Very very against.

However, given the circumstances of our island's population, density and geographic isolation, HPD having such capable vehicles makes more sense than some random podunk towns with less than 15,000 people having them.


Tom_G

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2014, 08:11:20 PM »
I think I had an MRAP for dinner once.  I found it chewy.
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dustoff003

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2014, 09:09:53 PM »

I think I had an MRAP for dinner once.  I found it chewy.
drunken posting?

Tom_G

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2014, 08:22:32 AM »
drunken posting?

Nope!  I think it was at a Denny's.
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Funtimes

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2014, 08:36:59 AM »
Nope!  I think it was at a Denny's.

Maybe they were making some armor plating for the MRAP? I've had some steak there so tuff I thought I could of used it as a chest plate lol.
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mauidog

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2014, 06:26:17 PM »
Maybe they were making some armor plating for the MRAP? I've had some steak there so tuff I thought I could of used it as a chest plate lol.

Not sure about that.  It obviously didn't protect the original owner very well!

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OpenCarryHawaii

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2014, 06:29:47 PM »
I think sometimes we forget that the police enforce the laws that the elected legislators create. I don’t think its right to be salty towards HPD because Hawaii has such Draconian gun laws. We need to elect people into office that respect the 2nd amendment and get the laws changed. HPD didn’t write the statutes, but it’s their duty to enforce them. I bet they would be stoked if the laws were changed and registering a gun wasn’t such a time consuming bureaucratic nightmare. I’m not a cop but I don’t like it when people attack cops like they’re the ones that create the law. Just my two cents.
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robtmc

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2014, 07:17:25 PM »
I bet they would be stoked if the laws were changed and registering a gun wasn’t such a time consuming bureaucratic nightmare. I’m not a cop but I don’t like it when people attack cops like they’re the ones that create the law. Just my two cents.
When you get some evidence of most cops being all for us peasants being as well armed as they are, please post it.

Surf

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2014, 05:38:36 PM »
When you get some evidence of most cops being all for us peasants being as well armed as they are, please post it.
I personally know countless individuals and it seems that many on this forum are better armed than the overwhelming majority of Law Enforcement Officers on this island. 

Funtimes

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2014, 04:15:20 AM »
I personally know countless individuals and it seems that many on this forum are better armed than the overwhelming majority of Law Enforcement Officers on this island.

I can second this. 
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punaperson

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2014, 05:00:48 AM »
I personally know countless individuals and it seems that many on this forum are better armed than the overwhelming majority of Law Enforcement Officers on this island.
Outside the home, range, hunting area, gun store, gunsmith, gun show, police station? I.e. "in public"?

I saw two LEOs in Walmart last week. They seemed to be the "only ones" openly carrying. Of course I have no way of knowing how many of those nonLEO citizens in Walmart were carrying concealed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were fewer than two.

Since most violent crimes take place outside the home (and outside the range, hunting areas, gun stores, gunsmiths, gun shows and police stations), when we nonLEOs (aka "ordinary citizens") obey the law ("no guns/"stun guns"/etc. for you" where you are most likely to be a victim of attempted crime), we are effectively denied our best chance for self-defense. Not so LEOs.

"Better armed"? Maybe. Effectively denied legal use of those arms in the most likely self-defense scenarios? Definitely.

Surf

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2014, 07:48:18 AM »
Outside the home, range, hunting area, gun store, gunsmith, gun show, police station? I.e. "in public"?

I saw two LEOs in Walmart last week. They seemed to be the "only ones" openly carrying. Of course I have no way of knowing how many of those nonLEO citizens in Walmart were carrying concealed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were fewer than two.

Since most violent crimes take place outside the home (and outside the range, hunting areas, gun stores, gunsmiths, gun shows and police stations), when we nonLEOs (aka "ordinary citizens") obey the law ("no guns/"stun guns"/etc. for you" where you are most likely to be a victim of attempted crime), we are effectively denied our best chance for self-defense. Not so LEOs.

"Better armed"? Maybe. Effectively denied legal use of those arms in the most likely self-defense scenarios? Definitely.
So are you saying that LEO's should not "openly" carry weapons?  Or are you stating the citizens should be able to open carry also?  I am sure I know the answer however there is a difference in how we make statements.  Just look at what I quoted in my post just above.  I am not sure how that users statement is anything but divisive and is far from constructive especially in regards to the second amendment issue.  Are there those in LE who are anti?  Sure, LE is just another cross section of society, however there are a lot of individuals in LE that are supportive of carry rights. 

punaperson

Re: Honolulu PD has MRAPS?
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2014, 02:14:24 PM »
So are you saying that LEO's should not "openly" carry weapons?  Or are you stating the citizens should be able to open carry also?  I am sure I know the answer however there is a difference in how we make statements.  Just look at what I quoted in my post just above.  I am not sure how that users statement is anything but divisive and is far from constructive especially in regards to the second amendment issue.  Are there those in LE who are anti?  Sure, LE is just another cross section of society, however there are a lot of individuals in LE that are supportive of carry rights.
1. Good guess, assuming you guessed right. Both the U. S. Constitution and the Hawaii state Constitution state that "the people" have "the right" to "keep and bear arms" without that right being "infringed". I believe that would include "citizens". "Bear" makes no sense solely restricted to inside the home. Thus, unless one is traveling directly to or from some kind of gun venue (thought the gun is even then required to be unloaded and in a closed container), a "citizen" is disarmed (not just from firearm carry, but "stun guns", chemical sprays greater than 1/2 oz. content, etc.), UNLESS that "citizen" is also law enforcement. Why? The citizen disarmament movement parrots the phrase "the only ones who should have guns are cops". Why? Because they are the "ONLY ONES" professional and trained well-enough to deserve to use them for self-defense of their own lives and the lives of others? That's a joke. A very bad joke. Watch this video of a DEA agent demonstrating gun safety to a classroom of children and stating "I'm the ONLY ONE in this room professional enough to carry (a Glock 40)." Within seconds he then shoots himself in the foot. He's the "only one" professional enough? There is nothing in the Constitutions even vaguely indicating that those intended to have the right to keep and bear arms are members of law enforcement, and that they are the ONLY ONES who have such a right.

2. Let me re-phrase robtmc's statement:

"When you get some evidence of most cops being all for us peasants being as well armed as they are and for us being allowed to carry those weapons in the manner (or even just concealed) and in the places they are, please post it."

Perhaps that wasn't his intent, but I've extended it to the relevant issue of CCW, and carry in general, which is denied to 100% of the citizens of this state who are not law enforcement.

3. There may be "a lot of individuals in LE that are supportive of carry rights.," but the relevant and significant fact is that the people in law enforcement who have a say in who gets to carry in Hawaii (the county chiefs of police) are 100% unanimous in their refusal to issue a CCW license to even one single person in the entire state (as least as far as any official statistics exist), and the (deliberately?) vague (and seemingly disingenuous) answers I have gotten when communicating about these issues with the Hawaii County Chief. This isn't a "may issue" state, it is a de facto "no issue" state. Why? Because the people in law enforcement whose sworn duty it is to uphold the Constitutions of the United States and Hawaii by allowing people to carry weapons outside the home purposefully violate their oath of office and deny every single applicant. Yeah, they are the "ONLY ONES".