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TastesLikeMetal

Hello all...
« on: June 26, 2011, 10:40:11 PM »
New here, I'm new to firearms and was wondering if there's a list of Hawaii FFL's.  Also have any of you had any good experiences with any?

Thank you

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Re: Hello all...
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2011, 10:48:10 PM »
For a list of FFL holders:
http://fflgundealers.net/transfer/hawaii/

Since you're new to firearms, I'd recommend taking a safety course and going from there. I've seen too many people new to the sport go out and impulse buy something only to find it's not the right fit. <---mainly guys who buy badass rifles to find they can't afford the ammo or handle the recoil.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

TastesLikeMetal

Re: Hello all...
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 11:08:33 PM »
Thank you for the info.

Funtimes

Re: Hello all...
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2011, 01:00:30 AM »
Welcome and yeah a safety course is a always a great idea!  (And required for a handgun)
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Re: Hello all...
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2011, 02:08:32 AM »
Welcome aboard, Wi3n3rschnitz3l !

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Welcome and yeah a safety course is a always a great idea!  (And required for a handgun)

Why?  I don't see anything about that in the Second Amendment, which seems to prohibit any such infringements.

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Re: Hello all...
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 02:18:54 AM »
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Welcome and yeah a safety course is a always a great idea!  (And required for a handgun)

Why?  I don't see anything about that in the Second Amendment, which seems to prohibit any such infringements.

T3rry, 230RN

Braggin that you're in a freeer state huh? You young rapscallion you. - 2aH4W411 :)
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Re: Hello all...
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 04:03:52 AM »
Welcome and yeah a safety course is a always a great idea!  (And required for a handgun in the Peoples Republic of Hawaii)

Ok modified!
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2011, 09:02:45 AM »
No, not braggin'.  Just something that needs pointing out now and again. Indeed, Colorado ain't all that free anyhow, and has many firearms laws which obviously are illegal under the highest law of the land and in fact its own constitution.

See, one of the problems is that the majority of lawmakers don't give a hoot about the constitution (either state or national) and pass laws knowing full well that a constitutional challenge to these laws is a long drawn out and very expensive affair. Few folks have the resources to challenge them.  And the other problem is that for the most part, someone has to actually be convicted of a crime under a given law in order to make an appeal on constitutional grounds.

That's one of the main flaws of our legal system.  You may rant and rail and rage and shake your fist at some law some statist legislators passed, but unless you're willing to break that law and be convicted of that crime, you usually have zero standing to challenge it.

As an example, in the famous McDonald v Chicago case, most of the original complainants' pleas were "dismissed" on the grounds that they had no legal standing to complain.  McDonald was the only one left with "standing," which is why his is the only name which appears on the final decision.

Nevertheless, it's still useful to point out that a law seems to be unconstitutional on the theory that "raising consciouness" about unlawful laws is a good thing in general.  If enough people realize how many laws are actually unconstitutional, they may start thinking about how their legislators think and boot their asses out on the street, where they have to earn a living just like the rest of us.

Otis McDonald, a plain guy just like you and me, but my hero:






Terry, 230RN

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« Last Edit: June 27, 2011, 10:02:14 AM by 230RN »
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

Funtimes

Re: Hello all...
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2011, 12:46:50 PM »
There have been a few rulings recently that have modified needing to be arrested for standing.  Otis seems like a great guy, I almost went to Chicago to meet him this year (was going to attend the Gun Rights Policy Conference).


 On a different note, Righthaven recently got their pecker smacked with a hammer on those copyright lawsuits.  In fact, one judge ruled that blog could post the entire article! I added this since I saw the "pic credited" link.
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Re: Hello all...
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2011, 01:22:52 PM »
On a different note, Righthaven recently got their pecker smacked with a hammer on those copyright lawsuits.  In fact, one judge ruled that blog could post the entire article! I added this since I saw the "pic credited" link.

I didn't hear about that one.
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Re: Hello all...
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 01:37:26 PM »
On a different note, Righthaven recently got their pecker smacked with a hammer on those copyright lawsuits.  In fact, one judge ruled that blog could post the entire article! I added this since I saw the "pic credited" link.

I didn't hear about that one.

Yeah I saw it last week on one of my Google news tabs.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/fair-use-defense/

Judge Pro, in his fair-use analysis, also found that the posting was for noncommercial purposes, and was part of an “online discussion.”

That said, Pro did not need to decide the fair-use question.

That’s because he also found that Righthaven did not have legal standing to bring the lawsuit, a hot-button topic in the Righthaven litigation.


Wired.com did a great write up, they also noted Righthaven is in trouble with Nevada and Colorado courts for their legal practices..

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 02:26:54 PM »
Haha, good for them.
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 03:00:53 PM »
Well, I try to credit whenever I can and I remember it.  That one was a kind of circuitous credit since the pic was already credited on Ayoob's blog.  Which I wanted to credit.

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There have been a few rulings recently that have modified needing to be arrested for standing.

I was aware of that, which was why I qualified a couple of my statements about "standing."  Otis McDonald himself was never arrested as far as I know, but he suffered harm from Chicago's stupid ban on fully-functional ready-to-go firearms in the home.

I think there should be some mechanism for either SCOTUS (Supreme Court Of The United States) or a new office in their branch of the government to be able to make some kind of Declaratory Judgement on the constitutionality of any new proposed law before it gets to the legislative floor.  I well-realize that there are complications in this conception, but we've got to figure out some way to "remind" lawmakers of their oaths to protect and defend the constitution instead of being able to get away with just passing any old law and letting SCOTUS sort it out later.

Especially when "later" may be a decade before an actual case on that law is reviewed by the whole body of the Court, and it may be years before an errant legislator's re-election.

Dream on, Terry!

T3rry, 2E0RN

« Last Edit: June 27, 2011, 03:24:35 PM by 230RN »
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

TastesLikeMetal

Re: Hello all...
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2011, 08:41:48 PM »
Just to clarify, I've already attended the required course for permits.  I just may need an FFL for a TS upper I was considering, but may just buy a Mark III Comp instead... 

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Re: Hello all...
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2011, 08:43:07 PM »
lol, my thread went all to Hell while I was at work :-)