so whats ur point. king says that cops shouldnt use their guns and should beef all criminals. all po's who uses guns are whimps. screw that. also what does it matter how you get a criminal off the streets as long as they off it. id prefer they say off of it for good.

That's a great sentiment when the suspect is in fact a criminal.

What would you say if the same treatment were given to someone the police mistook for the suspect?   

Ooopsie?   

There is a little thing called due process.  You are supposed to be innocent until the system finds you guilty.  It sounds like you are advocating street justice.

what u talking about what if they mistook someone else for the suspect . this was no mistake. this was definently a criminal as he tried to kill the cops. how can they get the wrong person. " Atiz revved the engine and tried to run down the officers.  They had to jump out of the way." " A third officer was injured jumping out of the way of the car." btw,  "he was arrested for attempted murder, assault, resisting arrest, and numerous traffic violations."

"What if"  "What if"  "What if"  "What if"  "What if"  "What if"
 

Oh ok you innocent if you try to run down officers and then fight the officers causing injury to all three of them. nobody here said anything about advocating street justice, just shoot in self defense when their life was in extreme danger which was the car incident.

Oh so now you want ur so called due process when you stated that judicial system needs to be focused on and will just allow them back on the streets. make up ur mind. you want criminals on or off the streets. you sticking up for criminal rights?

so whats ur point. king says that cops shouldnt use their guns and should beef all criminals. all po's who uses guns are whimps. screw that. also what does it matter how you get a criminal off the streets as long as they off it. id prefer they say off of it for good.

So you sayin that po's who use their guns for self defense are whimps? this is a gun forum and prob over half bought guns for self defense so we dont have to fight them. you sayin we all cowards?

so whats ur point. king says that cops shouldnt use their guns and should beef all criminals. all po's who uses guns are whimps. screw that. also what does it matter how you get a criminal off the streets as long as they off it. id prefer they say off of it for good.

what u talking about what if they mistook someone else for the suspect . this was no mistake. this was definently a criminal as he tried to kill the cops. how can they get the wrong person. " Atiz revved the engine and tried to run down the officers.  They had to jump out of the way." " A third officer was injured jumping out of the way of the car." btw,  "he was arrested for attempted murder, assault, resisting arrest, and numerous traffic violations."

"What if"  "What if"  "What if"  "What if"  "What if"  "What if"
 

Oh ok you innocent if you try to run down officers and then fight the officers causing injury to all three of them. nobody here said anything about advocating street justice, just shoot in self defense when their life was in extreme danger which was the car incident.

Oh so now you want ur so called due process when you stated that judicial system needs to be focused on and will just allow them back on the streets. make up ur mind. you want criminals on or off the streets. you sticking up for criminal rights?

also what does it matter how you get a criminal off the streets as long as they off it. id prefer they say off of it for good.

If the shoe fits...

Your excellent grammar leads me to believe you are a highly educated man, so I'll articulate this as well as my public school education allows.

My point is that wimps shouldn't be police officers.

There is a time to use deadly force.

There is a time to use physical force.

If you are a police officer, your primary concern should be the protection and preservation of life. If it's not, you're in the wrong line of work. Plain and simple.

Another Police Officer hit by a car thief, they must watch the news and know the cops aren't going to shoot because of bad press.

 http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140921_Accident_in_Punchbowl_area_involved_police_car.html?id=275932381

I know this sounds crazy, but, is the reason they're not doing this because they don't want to damage their cars?

If the officer involved here had time to pull over the vehicle, she { in this instance } had time to call in some backup to assist in keeping the vehicle from escaping before she initiated the stop. Why not wait until the vehicle is immobilized before attempting to arrest the driver?

Am I missing something here?

A Honolulu police officer is recovering from a hit-and-run crash near Lusitana Street and South School Street Sunday morning.

It happened at around 2:30 a.m., according to Emergency Medical Services officials.

Police say the officer took down the license plate of the car and discovered it was stolen.  The officer proceeded to pull over the car, but the driver hit the officer's car.

The stolen car was last seen heading down School Street.

The 30-year-old male officer was taken to the hospital in critical condition.

No word yet on the description of the car police are searching for.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140918_Police_release_case_against_man_who_allegedly_tried_to_run_over_officers.html?id=275708641

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140921_Accident_in_Punchbowl_area_involved_police_car.html?id=275932381

http://www.kitv.com/news/officer-injured-in-honolulu-hitandrun-crash/28177418

good thing they didn't shoot first. at least nobody got hurt...except the cops. at least they out on the loose to catch another day. they should have traned harder

And people who try to hit police with a car, either while the Cops are in their cars or on foot, should be punished and given the max sentence.  If trying to kill or injure a Cop carried 3 x the standard sentence of the normal sentence (special circumstances), then maybe people would be less likely to try it.

If we adopt your thinking, Cops need to shoot BEFORE they get hurt.  So, now all suspects in a car are fair game?

Punish the few who actually use their cars as weapons.  I empathize with the police if they get hurt on the job, but such is the nature of police work.  You can't let fear dictate the laws/rules of engagement. 

We can't give Cops a free pass to shoot everyone to keep themselves safe.  In these cases you linked to, the suspects tried to use their cars as weapons.  Up to that point, they had not done anything that warranted dying over.  Car theft and running from police are not capital offenses, in case you forgot.

If trying to kill or injure a CIVILIAN carried 3 x the standard sentence of the normal sentence (special circumstances), then maybe people would be less likely to try it.
 

so what, 3x a life sentence? does that really matter? in hawaii no mo death sentence so now what? in places with death sentence what you going do kill him 3x? that still dont stop people from attempting or commiting murder. if you already thinking of murdering no law is going to sway or stop you

that still dont stop people from attempting or [committing] murder.

That's the problem right there:
Isn't that the purpose of laws and law enforcement, to actually deter crime? 

So, the real problem isn't that the suspect tried to hit the Cop with a car.  The real problem was that he was already a criminal (car thief), and he escalated to attempted murder to avoid getting caught (or he was just too stupid to think more than 3 seconds ahead).

If the suspect steals a car, is the answer to shoot him on sight, even IF he doesn't try to kill a Cop?  Sounds like nothing else is working to prevent crime.  Had he never stolen the car, the Cops would have been safe.  Is that not logical?

There has always been and will always be crime.  Sometimes it's justifiable (stealing to feed the family) and others it isn't (stealing to feed a habit).  Justice is supposed to fit the crime.  That's why we have judges and jurors.  Someone needs to weigh the evidence and decide on punishment accordingly.

If a Cop feels his life is in danger, AND there are no other alternatives short of taking a life, then he is justified shooting the suspect.  Deadly force should be the last resort.  Until the suspect escalates to use of deadly force, serious bodily injury, or threatens to use those, nonlethal alternatives should be employed.