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mauidog

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 04:37:36 PM »
Under quarantine at local hospital


http://khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/

According to this guy, Ebola Virus is only spread through direct contact, and through bodily fluids.

If that's true, then why do they have to put Ebola patients in isolation and the healthcare workers in HAZMAT suits?


« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 04:45:38 PM by mauidog »
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edster48

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 04:44:54 PM »
According to this guy, Ebola Virus is only spread through direct contact, and through bodily fluids.

If that's true, then why do they have to put Ebola patients in isolation and the healthcare workers in HAZMAT suits?

That's what they're saying. Just like AIDS, look how well that worked out.

I trust what the government tells me, because they've been doing SUCH a great job.

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Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 06:03:43 PM »
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ren

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 06:30:43 PM »
Not confirmed.
As the extra precautions are warranted such that we don't have a cure for it.
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korupt

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 06:50:54 PM »
Guys start oiling your guns and check your ammo just for the heck of it just to make sure, I mean hey if you don't use it you don't use it but if you need it, its there

Bota-CS1

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 09:02:56 PM »
Not confirmed.
As the extra precautions are warranted such that we don't have a cure for it.

I got a cure.  It's called a flame thrower!
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xer 21

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 09:04:15 PM »
According to this guy, Ebola Virus is only spread through direct contact, and through bodily fluids.

If that's true, then why do they have to put Ebola patients in isolation and the healthcare workers in HAZMAT suits?




simple.  even fluids like saliva and sweat can transmit it.   Ebola causes a lot of flu like symptoms so coughing and sneezing and vomiting can transmit it.  while not truly airborne, if you're in close proximity, and an infected person coughs saliva on you, or vomits on you....well.

isolation is necessary.

korupt

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2014, 10:56:21 PM »
A person can use the blood dilute the blood in water and use it in the water system or spray it on someone or look at it this way all they gotta do is spray a little on your car door handle and your infected thats why they need to take precautions ebola is also a weapon very dangrouse, in that it dosn't care who you are it just doe's its job and kill. now we got this shit in Hawaii its like don't let the cat out of the bag because if they do all hell goina break loose very spooky more like nightmare scenario. Sometimes the government says the truth and sometimes they lie but hey hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Remember when postal workers was getting sick from anthrax well ebola just the same, makes you think and go out and buy some hand wipes and wipe down that shopping basket or shopping cart at the store, you don't know what you'll get.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 11:05:18 PM by korupt »

macsak

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2014, 07:31:00 AM »
A person can use the blood dilute the blood in water and use it in the water system or spray it on someone or look at it this way all they gotta do is spray a little on your car door handle and your infected thats why they need to take precautions ebola is also a weapon very dangrouse, in that it dosn't care who you are it just doe's its job and kill. now we got this shit in Hawaii its like don't let the cat out of the bag because if they do all hell goina break loose very spooky more like nightmare scenario. Sometimes the government says the truth and sometimes they lie but hey hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Remember when postal workers was getting sick from anthrax well ebola just the same, makes you think and go out and buy some hand wipes and wipe down that shopping basket or shopping cart at the store, you don't know what you'll get.

news is reporting patient does not fit the profile of an ebola case
so they are not currently testing for ebola

ImKu

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2014, 08:35:36 AM »
http://khon2.com/2014/10/01/patient-in-isolation-in-honolulu-hospital-officials-say-ebola-a-possibility/

UPDATE: Hawaii Department of Health has ruled out Ebola in a Honolulu patient who was reported yesterday as a possible case. “After investigation by the health department, it was determined that the individual did not meet the clinical or travel exposure criteria for an Ebola infection,” said Health Director Dr. Linda Rosen
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Heavies

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2014, 12:28:14 PM »
I feel real comfortable knowing the government says its all good and no worry...  if anything ill just call 911 and everything will be OK. ::)

mauidog

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2014, 12:29:41 PM »
I feel real comfortable knowing the government says its all good and no worry...  if anything ill just call 911 and everything will be OK. ::)

If you like your Ebola-free state, you can keep your Ebola-free state ....

PERIOD!


« Last Edit: October 02, 2014, 12:34:57 PM by mauidog »
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HiCarry

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 03:06:17 PM »
According to this guy, Ebola Virus is only spread through direct contact, and through bodily fluids.

If that's true, then why do they have to put Ebola patients in isolation and the healthcare workers in HAZMAT suits?



They are not HazMat suit, they are standard Tyvex PPE suits that are used in a variety of situations involving communicable diseases. And the use of such suits is far from the highest level of PPE used in caring for someone with a communicable disease. Use of the suit with goggles or a face shield constitutes a level C+ of protection. THe blue suits you see FD in are level A suits that have either self contained or piped in air supply.

As for why we put healthcare workers in this level of protection? The other "name" for Ebola is viral hemorrhagic fever....meaning the disease process essentially makes the vascular permeable and therefore the patient bleeds out of various orifices providing the healthcare worker a significant chance of contact with the patient's blood and bodily fluids. 

mauidog

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2014, 03:29:59 PM »
They are not HazMat suit, they are standard Tyvex PPE suits that are used in a variety of situations involving communicable diseases. And the use of such suits is far from the highest level of PPE used in caring for someone with a communicable disease. Use of the suit with goggles or a face shield constitutes a level C+ of protection. THe blue suits you see FD in are level A suits that have either self contained or piped in air supply.

As for why we put healthcare workers in this level of protection? The other "name" for Ebola is viral hemorrhagic fever....meaning the disease process essentially makes the vascular permeable and therefore the patient bleeds out of various orifices providing the healthcare worker a significant chance of contact with the patient's blood and bodily fluids.

You just described the exact conditions ( the disease process essentially makes the vascular permeable and therefore the patient bleeds out of various orifices providing the healthcare worker a significant chance of contact with the patient's blood and bodily fluids) which contradict the CDC's platitudes that all is well!  No need to panic!  Even if someone near you is infected, they have to be "sick" (showing symptoms) to be contagious. 

The patient in Texas was taken to the ER and subsequently released with some antibiotics even though he told the nurse he had just come from Liberia.  He was in contact with people AND THINGS PEOPLE TOUCH for 4 more days.   Even though the workers are quarantining people KNOWN to have been in contact with the man, there is no way to go over every single place he touched something  that another may have touched right after him.

This is starting to turn into Mad Cow disease.  No need to panic UNTIL AFTER  you get it!  Up until then, don't worry .... be happy!    :wacko:
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

HiCarry

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2014, 03:34:57 PM »
A person can use the blood dilute the blood in water and use it in the water system or spray it on someone or look at it this way all they gotta do is spray a little on your car door handle and your infected thats why they need to take precautions ebola is also a weapon very dangrouse, in that it dosn't care who you are it just doe's its job and kill. now we got this shit in Hawaii its like don't let the cat out of the bag because if they do all hell goina break loose very spooky more like nightmare scenario. Sometimes the government says the truth and sometimes they lie but hey hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Remember when postal workers was getting sick from anthrax well ebola just the same, makes you think and go out and buy some hand wipes and wipe down that shopping basket or shopping cart at the store, you don't know what you'll get.

Very unlikely. Studies done a while ago show that fomite transmission of EBV, while possible is highly unlikely.

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We conclude that EBOV is shed in a wide variety of bodily fluids during the acute period of illness but that the risk of transmission from fomites in an isolation ward and from convalescent patients is low when currently recommended infection control guidelines for the viral hemorrhagic fevers are followed.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full

As for the comparison of the anthrax attacks, the agent was a weaponized version of anthrax and that despite the respiratory transmission, only 5 people died and 17 fell ill. Respiratory transmission, like the flu, is a much, much easier way to infect someone, yet the death toll was fairly small as was the population that fell ill but survived. You are much, much, much more likely to get an coliform (E.Coli) infection from not wiping down a shopping cart than Ebola.....

HiCarry

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2014, 03:45:49 PM »
You just described the exact conditions ( the disease process essentially makes the vascular permeable and therefore the patient bleeds out of various orifices providing the healthcare worker a significant chance of contact with the patient's blood and bodily fluids) which contradict the CDC's platitudes that all is well!  No need to panic!  Even if someone near you is infected, they have to be "sick" (showing symptoms) to be contagious. 

The patient in Texas was taken to the ER and subsequently released with some antibiotics even though he told the nurse he had just come from Liberia.  He was in contact with people AND THINGS PEOPLE TOUCH for 4 more days.   Even though the workers are quarantining people KNOWN to have been in contact with the man, there is no way to go over every single place he touched something  that another may have touched right after him.

This is starting to turn into Mad Cow disease.  No need to panic UNTIL AFTER  you get it!  Up until then, don't worry .... be happy!    :wacko:
You sound as if you have very little experience treating patients with communicable diseases. Similar precautions take place on a daily basis in hospitals across the nation and the world when caring for other infectious diseases. I have donned those same types of PPE for the last 30+ years taking care of patients who don't have Ebola. These precautions even have a name:universal blood and bodily fluid precautions.

My statements have not contradicted anything the CDC said. It is your ignorance that seems to drive you to conclusions that are not supported by the scientific facts. The CDC has not said "all is well" but rather that despite the hysteria generated by the media and vocal uninformed people, there is no cause for undue alarm. Is there a problem? Yep, just as if they were concerned about any other communicable disease. Rather, what they said is that we can control the spread thru standard precautions and standard public health efforts. Could more people get infected? Possibly.....will there be the same type of widespread death and illness here? No.

I find it somewhat ironic that most folks on this forum lament the sensationalist nature of the main stream media and how frequently they get facts wrong, rather on purpose or because of political ideology. Yet folks like yourself will unquestionably take for gospel what the MSM says about Ebola and buy into the hype intended to sell airtime and advertising.......

zippz

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2014, 04:22:22 PM »
They need the suits.  There are many healthcare workers in Africa that are catching Ebola themselves, like the 2 US workers that traveled back home for treatment.  I'm sure they used gloves and other protective uniforms but they still got it.  So although it's far less contagious than an airborn disease, it's still contagious.  What makes this worse than other diseases is the high mortality rate.

HiCarry

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2014, 05:21:40 PM »
They need the suits.  There are many healthcare workers in Africa that are catching Ebola themselves, like the 2 US workers that traveled back home for treatment.  I'm sure they used gloves and other protective uniforms but they still got it.  So although it's far less contagious than an airborn disease, it's still contagious.  What makes this worse than other diseases is the high mortality rate.
Many of the cases of healthcare workers contracting Ebola result from improper use of the PPE or exposure outside of their patient care activities.

mauidog

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2014, 05:50:43 PM »
You sound as if you have very little experience treating patients with communicable diseases. Similar precautions take place on a daily basis in hospitals across the nation and the world when caring for other infectious diseases. I have donned those same types of PPE for the last 30+ years taking care of patients who don't have Ebola. These precautions even have a name:universal blood and bodily fluid precautions.

My statements have not contradicted anything the CDC said. It is your ignorance that seems to drive you to conclusions that are not supported by the scientific facts. The CDC has not said "all is well" but rather that despite the hysteria generated by the media and vocal uninformed people, there is no cause for undue alarm. Is there a problem? Yep, just as if they were concerned about any other communicable disease. Rather, what they said is that we can control the spread thru standard precautions and standard public health efforts. Could more people get infected? Possibly.....will there be the same type of widespread death and illness here? No.

I find it somewhat ironic that most folks on this forum lament the sensationalist nature of the main stream media and how frequently they get facts wrong, rather on purpose or because of political ideology. Yet folks like yourself will unquestionably take for gospel what the MSM says about Ebola and buy into the hype intended to sell airtime and advertising.......

It's not the sensationalized media that has done anything to me.  It's the continual incompetence and misinformation put out by this government that tells me that no matter how nice the picture seems, the reality is always worse. 

Obama promised they are doing everything necessary to keep Ebola out of the US.  That was obviously not good enough. 

Then we are told if Ebola ever did come to the US, we are prepared and have procedures in place to deal with it quickly and effectively.  What happens?  The ER sends the patient home.

Now the Hawaii "suspected" case is deemed to not be Ebola.  Is it because he tested negative?  No.  It's because they say he hasn't traveled anywhere to pick it up.  To me, that's not definitive enough to sound the all clear. 

Humans are not infallible.  Nobody is perfect.  No plan or procedure is perfect.  I don't care how professional and well trained and educated you think the CDC and other government and private health agencies are.  It only takes a couple of lapses in procedure, or some malicious people, to bypass the safeguards to infect more people.

I've never had to personally care for infectious patients, but I fail to see how that matters?  When the ER staff who I assume DO know about infectious diseases let a patient go home after he disclosed his trip from Liberia speaks volumes to my point.

That point being:  no matter how hard we try to control our lives and environment, there are always gaps in our policies, plans, and procedures. 
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper