ebola case now in hawaii (Read 27490 times)

HiCarry

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2014, 11:05:01 AM »
here you go you got what you ask for their   http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/health-science/frieden-we-are-looking-at-the-issue-of-entry-screening/2014/10/05/96bd966e-4cb5-11e4-877c-335b53ffe736_video.html look into 30 seconds of the video " we want the health care workers to have fear and channel the fear into etc etc etc the video dont lie does it. Sounds like your spreading the fear now I see everyone as vigilant. tsk tsk. as for your "FEAR" mauidog said to be cautious
Very good, you actually did a little research. So, congratulations. That being said, I think the video clip of Dr. Frieden and his comment about "fear" is more of an admonishment to healthcare providers to be cautious rather than become complacent in maintaining strict infection control practices. In all the releases I have seen from the CDC aimed at informing healthcare providers, I have not seen any reference or statement that they want the HCP to "fear" the virus, but rather to be informed and be vigilant about infection control practices.

korupt

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2014, 11:25:36 AM »
You do a lot of thinking for other people thats the problem,  I welcome your expertise on medical it's great that it helps the 2ahawaii community, but we all have opinions and disagreements in here. My first opinion is that Blood can be used as a weapon and the CDC from their web site said tainted blood should be avoided, so everyone be careful thats all hey if I offended Im sorry, the more information about ebola and more facts about ebola  comes out the more informative everyone is. Everyone out there wipe down your shopping carts with wipes because enterovirus 68 is around the country, thats informative not scaring people.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2014, 11:56:32 AM by korupt »

HiCarry

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2014, 12:05:37 PM »
OK, I'm not trying to engage in an argument here, but, I do have some questions regarding this.

Since some among us seem to be in the medical profession, perhaps you can answer my questions.

Up to this point, the U.S. has been "Ebola Free". I think a lot of the concern is derived from the fact that the disease is now present in this country, due to the actions of people with "good" intentions getting themselves infected while trying to "help". I don't think I'm wrong in comparing this disease to AIDS as the transmission by bodily fluids is the same and both are viral infections.

As with AIDS/HIV, the transmission is via blood and bodily fluids and it is a virus. And, as with AIDS/HIV, in the beginning there was a lot of misplaced fear and anxiety from the public and the healthcare community. I was beginning my healthcare career about the time AIDS/HIV emerged, and I recall all sorts of efforts by various groups to take extreme measures to isolate and halt the spread. And, because the disease initially appeared to affect the gay community it was very easy to marginalize those affected and suggest mass quarantine and forced detention. I see a lot of the same types of uninformed, or partially informed folks calling for courses of actions that are not scientifically sound, such as "testing" for everyone despite the clinical picture. 

Assuming the patient survives, would they not then become a "carrier" of the disease? They haven't been "cured", they have just developed antibodies to the virus correct?

Not a carrier per se, but the virus can be found in various bodily fluids for several months after recovery. Once a certain period of time has passed, the virus cannot be detected in bodily fluids. And, just because the virus is detectable in those bodily fluids, it does not necessarily mean that contact with them will cause the disease. It may, and as such the recommendations are to treat bodily fluids as infectious. It is a common practice to put those who have recovered from a viral illness in a care provider position as they are "immune" from re-infection.

Would these "carriers" not be able to unintentionally infect others? Isn't this how "outbreaks" occur in west Africa? I don't think it just magically floats around in the atmosphere, it keeps coming back due to infected people passing it on, right?

After a certain period of time there is no detectable virus in body fluids. In the interim between being acutely ill and having no detectable viral load, a person may be able to infect others. But, at least with Ebola, this seems to be more theoretical than a major source of new infections. That being said, the recommendations are still to avoid bodily fluids of "recovered" victims.

Now that we have allowed infected people to enter the country and they are living here, doesn't this mean we have to worry about an outbreak here? I'm not asking if the government is "prepared" for it, because that really doesn't matter. Once the disease has established a foothold, people will get infected, it's just a question when and how many. As with AIDS, we can only hope the spread of the disease can be controlled as it will never be eliminated.

It was inevitable that it emerged here. Even if we were to restrict entry to the US by people flying from the affected countries, what if they went to some intermediate country before flying in? What, if like the Texas patient, they lie about their exposure? If we restrict any individual from the affected countries, they have forged papers? Could we have an outbreak here? Sure. Is it a concern? Most definitely. Will it spread like the movie contagion? No.

Please spare me the "it was just a matter of time" arguments. Common sense would dictate that people entering or returning from this region be screened BEFORE being allowed into the country.

Sorry, but it was "just a matter of time" as I attempted to explain above. You ban travel directly from a country, individuals will go through another country before arriving here. Base it on nationality and non-citizens who have been in the affected countries will get in or citizens of the affected countries will get false travel documents  or enter the US illegally. Base restrictions on attestations and folks will lie.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, like SAR and other viruses this virus has the ability to mutate and become airborne, correct?

All viruses can mutate, that's why they have to formulate a new "flu" vaccine each year. The mutations associated with SARS and H1N1 were not about "becoming airborne" but rather changing to infect another species, humans. And the CDC did address the issue of Ebola mutating to become airborne transmissible. It said it was very unlikely....

I anxiously await the reasons why I needn't be concerned.

No one is telling you, nor the public to not be concerned. But rather be informed and make decisions based on fact not unfounded fear and hysteria.

HiCarry

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2014, 12:14:17 PM »
You do a lot of thinking for other people thats the problem,  I welcome your expertise on medical it's great that it helps the 2ahawaii community, but we all have opinions and disagreements in here. My first opinion is that Blood can be used as a weapon and the CDC from their web site said tainted blood should be avoided, so everyone be careful thats all hey if I offended Im sorry, the more information about ebola and more facts about ebola  comes out the more informative everyone is. Everyone out there wipe down your shopping carts with wipes because enterovirus 68 is around the country, thats informative not scaring people.
I think for no one, and if you even think that's possible, you have a serious problem that extends far beyond this discussion. The problem is that folks like yourself, with little to no knowledge on subjects, will interject your "opinion" as if it were fact. I tend to challenge such misinformation, be it in my field of expertise or in cases where I have personally researched the situation and know the facts. If you don't like being challenged about what you say, I suggest you research and become more knowledgeable before making inaccurate and misleading statements.

korupt

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2014, 12:43:24 PM »
I get my facts from CDC while you slide by with old Knowledge that hasn't been updated yet, but you know that and yet you contradict everything the CDC says wow really and people will listen to you over CDC wow amazing your a wealth of knowledge higher then the CDC the greatest ever, the more you say the more you discredit yourself. and about this AIDS AND HIV once again I have to correct you HIV is a virus and AIDS is a disease everyone following this thread look it up for yourself facts is facts  ZZZZ your more discredited now
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mohihicrew

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2014, 01:12:18 PM »
I am also very cautious with what  CDC says publicly,  then quietly updates their website with new info that makes people even more on edge

HiCarry

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2014, 11:13:28 AM »
I get my facts from CDC while you slide by with old Knowledge that hasn't been updated yet, but you know that and yet you contradict everything the CDC says wow really and people will listen to you over CDC wow amazing your a wealth of knowledge higher then the CDC the greatest ever, the more you say the more you discredit yourself. and about this AIDS AND HIV once again I have to correct you HIV is a virus and AIDS is a disease everyone following this thread look it up for yourself facts is facts  ZZZZ your more discredited now
While I commend you on your efforts to educate yourself, I never suggested that folks look to me rather than the CDC nor do I believe you have demonstrated any evidence that anything I presented was "old knowledge" or contradicted "everything the CDC says..." That's a rather sensationalist view point. If you're referencing the 'CDC is telling it's own staff to fear the virus..' statement as proof, I will again suggest that the statement was not to tell healthcare providers to "fear" the virus, but rather that they understood some do, and that being fearful was a perfectly natural response. Furthermore, they suggested that they "channel" that fear into more productive activities, such as being extra vigilant in maintaining infection control procedures.

As for the HIV/AIDS thing, yes, you are technically correct. HIV is the name of the virus responsible for AIDS. But, in my defense, it is commonly referred to as HIV/AIDS in both consumer and professional publications, so if that is your evidence of "discrediting" myself, well...congratulations.

korupt

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2014, 01:56:02 PM »
I think for no one, and if you even think that's possible, you have a serious problem that extends far beyond this discussion. The problem is that folks like yourself, with little to no knowledge on subjects, will interject your "opinion" as if it were fact. I tend to challenge such misinformation, be it in my field of expertise or in cases where I have personally researched the situation and know the facts. If you don't like being challenged about what you say, I suggest you research and become more knowledgeable before making inaccurate and misleading statements.

little or no Knowledge and here you are can't even get a simple virus or disease right how pathetic could you be  30 plus what  years and you can't get something so simple your facts are just wrong basically making you wrong. so much for misinformation your the one putting out misinformation I put the fact someone either makes it up or don't know something so simple you going to have to fact check you'r writing or do you want me to do it, I can be your high school teacher and fact check it for you if you want me? Right now you just trying to save face with what you got left in this thread LOL
« Last Edit: October 07, 2014, 02:01:33 PM by korupt »

macsak

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2014, 02:05:23 PM »
little or no Knowledge and here you are can't even get a simple virus or disease right how pathetic could you be  30 plus what  years and you can't get something so simple your facts are just wrong basically making you wrong. so much for misinformation your the one putting out misinformation I put the fact someone either makes it up or don't know something so simple you going to have to fact check you'r writing or do you want me to do it, I can be your high school teacher and fact check it for you if you want me? Right now you just trying to save face with what you got left in this thread LOL

 :wacko:

ren

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2014, 02:14:28 PM »
I think for no one, and if you even think that's possible, you have a serious problem that extends far beyond this discussion. The problem is that folks like yourself, with little to no knowledge on subjects, will interject your "opinion" as if it were fact. I tend to challenge such misinformation, be it in my field of expertise or in cases where I have personally researched the situation and know the facts. If you don't like being challenged about what you say, I suggest you research and become more knowledgeable before making inaccurate and misleading statements.

little or no Knowledge and here you are can't even get a simple virus or disease right how pathetic could you be  30 plus what  years and you can't get something so simple your facts are just wrong basically making you wrong. so much for misinformation your the one putting out misinformation I put the fact someone either makes it up or don't know something so simple you going to have to fact check you'r writing or do you want me to do it, I can be your high school teacher and fact check it for you if you want me? Right now you just trying to save face with what you got left in this thread LOL
People screw up 30 plus years dont mean anything if the guy next to you screw up and wind up getting you infected. We are human beings its nature to screw up. You can have the best knowledge about anything yet people screw up. We all make mistakes and your all knowing epidemic precautions don't mean anything if there's. A laps in judgment.

Secrete Service suppose to be the best in the world, what happen screwed up not ounce bit twice, gee they probably had 30 plus years experience.  human error exist best polices in the world still fails. One should stop living in a perfect world because Sh#t happens
Say that again?

Please don't be a high school teacher.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2014, 02:29:00 PM by ren »
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korupt

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2014, 03:41:59 PM »
OK i broke the rules I'm not suppose to do that in here I'm sorry for that

Jl808

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« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2014, 04:26:35 PM »
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MMM

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2014, 04:34:02 PM »
Say that again?

Please don't be a high school teacher.

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korupt

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2014, 05:43:41 PM »
Aryt everyone lets get this string number one for one month everything is cooking and I like it  :wave: :wave: :wave:

ImKu

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2014, 06:12:46 PM »
Aryt everyone lets get this string number one for one month everything is cooking and I like it  :wave: :wave: :wave:

The mind acts like an enemy for those who do not control it.
- Bhagavad Gita

korupt

Re: ebola case now in hawaii
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2014, 06:29:15 PM »
I thought you guys would see it by now, this post has nothing to do with guns and yet 2ahawaii didn't move it off topic yet LOL :D