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hepcat96821

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2014, 11:01:21 AM »
1. Gen 4 G 17
2. Yes.  I have a 40 cal G22 Gen 3 as well, and I would not buy this one again just because I havent been able to get comfortable with the grip, after owning it for a few years.
3. Yes
4. I did not like the sights.
5. I modded the hell out of it.  I changed every spring in the gun, put in a ghost rocket connector, added the extended slide release, and the extended takedown bar.  And I have a titanium striker.  The mods were worth it for me.  However, after about 700 rounds, I had one light primer strike, so I put the factory striker spring back in.  I initially considered changing everything back to stock, but its not what I would consider my defensive firearm, I have others that fill this role.   
6. The sights I have are Truglo TROs or something like that TFO, maybe. 

I would say to look into both the gen 3 and gen 4 models.  The grip is a little different between models.  The gen 4 has a more aggressive grip texture, that is comfortable, and not too aggressive to the point where it really digs into your hand.  All of the mods I made took less then an hour to finish.  The gen 3 glock 22 I own, has the same modifications I made to my g17, with a extended magazine release.  I bought a .357 sig barrel for it, and a threaded .40 sw barrel for it as well.  I wanted the extra threaded barrel for the added chamber support.   
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robtmc

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2014, 07:39:13 PM »
Quote from: hepcat96821 on October 31, 2014, 11:01:21 AM
2. Yes.  I have a 40 cal G22 Gen 3 as well, and I would not buy this one again just because I havent been able to get comfortable with the grip, after owning it for a few years.
Apologies to the OP, but I am curious about this statement.

After being without a Glock since selling my Gen1 17 many years ago, I sampled the current stuff.  Was angling toward anything in .45 ACP since that is what I have already.  That meant Gen 4 21SF and 30 and 30s.  No interest in the 36 since we cannot CCW.

I was not overly fond of the massive grip of the 21-30, but figured I could deal with it.  While at one LGS, handled a Gen3 22 going for a steal of a price.  That damn thing slid into my hand like a glove, just like my old 17.  This was a Gen3 with finger grooves and all, but grip shape and size were perfect.

Puzzled why the grip was so wrong for you, assuming Glocks were not new to you.  If it was not a .40 and me being stuck on .45 ACP, I would have snapped it up.
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TastesLikeMetal

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2014, 12:21:14 AM »
Quote from: robtmc on October 31, 2014, 07:39:13 PM
Apologies to the OP, but I am curious about this statement.

After being without a Glock since selling my Gen1 17 many years ago, I sampled the current stuff.  Was angling toward anything in .45 ACP since that is what I have already.  That meant Gen 4 21SF and 30 and 30s.  No interest in the 36 since we cannot CCW.

I was not overly fond of the massive grip of the 21-30, but figured I could deal with it.  While at one LGS, handled a Gen3 22 going for a steal of a price.  That damn thing slid into my hand like a glove, just like my old 17.  This was a Gen3 with finger grooves and all, but grip shape and size were perfect.

Puzzled why the grip was so wrong for you, assuming Glocks were not new to you.  If it was not a .40 and me being stuck on .45 ACP, I would have snapped it up.

Don't forget the Glock 41, also 45acp.

http://us.glock.com/products/model/g41gen4
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mauidog

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2014, 01:03:57 AM »
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
All Gen 4:
   G17
   G26
   G42
   G30

2- Would you buy it again?
Yes on 3 of them.  "Maybe" on the G30.

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes for all, but always room for improvement

4- What did you NOT like about it?
G26 - ejecting brass at shooter's face intermittently.  Seems like a common Gen4 issue that has improved, but not all models are 100%.
G30 - Very wide grip (no added backstrap -- .45ACP double-stack mag).  I'm thinking because it's such a compact model, Glock made the grip thicker to compensate.   

5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
G26 - drop-in replacement trigger, steel guide rod and new spring, same trigger-pull weight as factory trigger, but added improved ejector and safety plunger, metal plate to replace plastic plate on rear of slide, Crimson Trace Red Laser Sight on rear of grip (pressure activated), extension on mag plate to add room on grip for pinky.  Came with 3-dot night sites.

G17 - drop-in replacement trigger, lighter (4.0 lb) trigger-pull, added improved ejector and safety plunger, added 3-dot night sights.

The new triggers are OEM Glock triggers that have been polished to a blinding sheen from the site GlockTriggers.com.  Kept my stock triggers in case I decide to go back to them.  And since the triggers are OEM, they keep you compliant with the USPSA production class specs.

G42 - again, pinky extensions for the mags.  3-dot night sights. 

G30 - totally stock.  The mags for this one actually provide an extension for pinky-placement!  Came with night sites.  Have used it for open carry.  For a sub-compact, it's kind of big and bulky.

6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
No adjustables.  I always replace the plastic factory sites if it comes with. 

7- express any other pertinent comment
The G17 fits my hand the best.  I almost need the smallest backstrap added, but it's fine without it. 
G26 is a surprisingly effective 9mm in a small package.  Not the smallest 9mm for carry, but standard mag hold 10rds, and you can use any other 9mm Glock mag with it, too.

My next Glock will be a G41.  After that. G19.  That assumes I don't see something I want more before I see the Glocks on sale!
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2014, 05:48:34 AM »
Mahalo again to my 2a bruddahs for your insight.
I am reading each post carefully and soaking it all in.
Yesterday I did spend some trigger time with a g17 gen4.
It was stock gun, but seemed fine to me.
Personally, I shot it about as well as I shoot any other pistol.
When I do pull the trigger on my next gun it will be a g17 gen4, regardless.
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You may resume firing [==>>
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s197

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2014, 08:18:41 AM »
Interesting you mention getting hit in the head by brass, it happens quite frequently to my wife with my G17 gen4. I haven't had that issue yet.
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mauidog

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2014, 08:45:21 AM »
Quote from: s197 on November 01, 2014, 08:18:41 AM
Interesting you mention getting hit in the head by brass, it happens quite frequently to my wife with my G17 gen4. I haven't had that issue yet.

This is pretty much the "brass in the face" synopsis in a good video.



There are posts that give the old and new part numbers for the ejector.  Glock started shipping with the new parts without really admitting a defect in the old parts, but if you send your pistol to them and they see the brass ejection problem exists, they will change out the parts to correct it.

I've only experienced this with 9mm, specifically the G26.  I think only Gen4 9mm Glocks have been reported to have this issue.

My G17 seems to be fine.  My G30 never had this problem (.45ACP).  These two Glocks do have the new ejector part.  The G26 had the old one until I bought the drop-in replacement trigger.  Saw some improvement, but the issue is still there.
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s197

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2014, 09:40:46 AM »
Do you check by serial #? I bought my glock earlier this year, around memorial day I think.
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hepcat96821

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2014, 11:30:16 AM »
Quote from: robtmc on October 31, 2014, 07:39:13 PM
Apologies to the OP, but I am curious about this statement.

After being without a Glock since selling my Gen1 17 many years ago, I sampled the current stuff.  Was angling toward anything in .45 ACP since that is what I have already.  That meant Gen 4 21SF and 30 and 30s.  No interest in the 36 since we cannot CCW.

I was not overly fond of the massive grip of the 21-30, but figured I could deal with it.  While at one LGS, handled a Gen3 22 going for a steal of a price.  That damn thing slid into my hand like a glove, just like my old 17.  This was a Gen3 with finger grooves and all, but grip shape and size were perfect.

Puzzled why the grip was so wrong for you, assuming Glocks were not new to you.  If it was not a .40 and me being stuck on .45 ACP, I would have snapped it up.


The hump on the rear of the grip is a bit different between gen3 and gen 4 models.  The gen 3 has a more pronounced hump in it, then the gen 4 that I have.  I do not have any of the interchangeable back straps on my g17.  I have large hands, some even call them bear paws, but I have never been fond of thick grips, even as a kid, i would strip the factory cushion grips off of bats, hockey sticks, tennis rackets etc... and wrap them with athletic tape.  I can still hit with the g22 perfectly fine, but it doesnt fit my hand like the g17 does.       
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Surf

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2014, 01:19:59 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on October 30, 2014, 03:24:50 PM
I have kept my Glocks pretty much stock.  I have friends numerous friends who have encouraged me to stipple, change trigger, etc.  Even to the point of offering to change or stipple for me, but I've just kept things stock.  Maybe one day I'll buy a used project gun or two and do stuff like stipple and swap triggers, but I just don't want to head that direction now.  More to save money, time, etc and not start down the path than anything else. Haha
That's where I was when I really started getting heavy into Glocks.  I tweaked triggers a bit and changed sights but stayed away from frame mods until my Glock knuckle got so bad to the point of the finger being very painful in the joint.  I started the modifications around the trigger guard by dehorning or radiusing it at first to alleviate the problem.  Then noticing as I undercut the trigger guard, this shifted my hand in a manner that the finger grooves became an issue so those got removed, which the stippling followed suit.  I still shoot my primary Gen4 G21 not modified due to employment restrictions and I shoot a stock Glock well, but I tend to equate fitting a Glock to your hand like fitting running shoes, Golf clubs or even custom 1911's.  Small differences add up.  But yes going down that road is a one way street.  Once you see how nice it is there is no coming back.  ;)

Quote from: robtmc on October 31, 2014, 07:39:13 PM
Apologies to the OP, but I am curious about this statement.

After being without a Glock since selling my Gen1 17 many years ago, I sampled the current stuff.  Was angling toward anything in .45 ACP since that is what I have already.  That meant Gen 4 21SF and 30 and 30s.  No interest in the 36 since we cannot CCW.

I was not overly fond of the massive grip of the 21-30, but figured I could deal with it.  While at one LGS, handled a Gen3 22 going for a steal of a price.  That damn thing slid into my hand like a glove, just like my old 17.  This was a Gen3 with finger grooves and all, but grip shape and size were perfect.

Puzzled why the grip was so wrong for you, assuming Glocks were not new to you.  If it was not a .40 and me being stuck on .45 ACP, I would have snapped it up.
For myself the grips in similar generations between 9mm and .40S&W are identical, however the .40 has a much more pronounced felt transfer of energy than the 9mm and even the .45ACP variants.  Basically retro-ing or stuffing the .40 into a 9mm frame / slide as opposed to going the route of the .45 and a purpose built frame / slide for the caliber.  While I shoot them all well enough and it may be splitting hairs to some, I very much prefer the 9mm or .45 Glocks over the .40 S&W versions.  The downside might be the larger grip on the .45's but the Gen4's keep that reasonable for smaller sized hands.

Quote from: s197 on November 01, 2014, 08:18:41 AM
Interesting you mention getting hit in the head by brass, it happens quite frequently to my wife with my G17 gen4. I haven't had that issue yet.
I had one of the first production Gen4 G17's released.  Around 1500 rounds I started getting brass to face with a wide range or any ammo type.  It had those issues from 1500 rounds all the way past 25,000 rounds when I did an RSA and ejector swap.  I had it documented on video also.  This was around the late 2011 early 2012 time frame where I fired 60 rounds then on camera I switched to the 042 RSA and the 30274 ejector and fired another 60 rounds.  For myself and this pistol, the problem corrected itself with the change in parts.

When dealing with a several hundred new 2014 WR / WS serial number range Glock 17 Gen4's with quality ammo, I noted that smaller stature females sometimes had issues related to grip strength and overall shooting platform.  When a larger shooter with stronger grip fired the exact same weapon there were no issues and upon getting those smaller stature shooters in a better shooing platform and grip on the weapon the issues also subsided.  So it is my experience that BTF can be just the weapon and its parts, or indeed it can be a combo of ammo and the shooter.  With the newest production date G17 Gen4's with the latest parts numbers, it is my experience that BTF is ammo and / or shooter related.  Of course nothing is 100% but I have a huge sample size where I have seen and dealt with this first hand.
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mauidog

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2014, 01:21:01 PM »
Quote from: s197 on November 01, 2014, 09:40:46 AM
Do you check by serial #? I bought my glock earlier this year, around memorial day I think.

No.  All Glocks have a lifetime warranty.  Just tell them the problem you are having, and ship it.  If they can replicate the issue and fix it, the only charge is shipping there.
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Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2014, 03:38:44 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on October 28, 2014, 01:01:50 PM
Gents,



1- Which model/ generation do you have?
        G17 Gen 3
2- Would you buy it again?
        Absolutely
3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
        Had a 9 lbs. trigger  :o
4- What did you NOT like about it?
        Eh, didn't care for the finger grooves. (Glock knuckle)
5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
        All the mods done have been worth it.
        Ghost trigger and spring
        Trijicon HD night sights
        Extended mag release cut down and stippled
        Moderate stipple job, finger grooves removed, trigger guard narrowed (shaped)
6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
        Trijicon are not adjustable. They were bought locally and free install
7- express any other pertinent comment
        Was bought on consignment, former LEO. With no holster marks and perfect barrel- like new condition.
        The trigger was  heavy. Learned to deal with it after a while. Ghost trigger more bueno. Now it's 3.75 lbs.
         My biggest gripe was the finger grooves, they had to go.       
         Im using the Safariland holster (HDF fun shoots) HSGI taco pouches, and bought plenty more mags.
        Glock reliability, no issues
         Mostly shoot 9mm the G17 fits in well with my other firearms.
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2015, 02:27:45 PM »
After kingkeoni chided me about window shopping, it got me thinking.
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.
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K30l4

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2015, 03:26:45 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on May 19, 2015, 02:27:45 PM
After kingkeoni chided me about window shopping, it got me thinking.
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.
Two big thumbs up!
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macsak

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2015, 04:06:58 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on May 19, 2015, 02:27:45 PM
After kingkeoni chided me about window shopping, it got me thinking.
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.

shoulda got a VP9
 ::)

congrats, OF
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2015, 06:10:35 PM »
Quote from: macsak on May 19, 2015, 04:06:58 PM
shoulda got a VP9
 ::)

congrats, OF
...
Thanks bro...
I love the vp9 too. Feels great in my hand. Easy to shoot.
But I think my next purchase would be a g43. It's a very practical size.
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2015, 06:12:24 PM »
Quote from: K30l4 on May 19, 2015, 03:26:45 PM
Two big thumbs up!
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Howzit ola.
I have succumbed to the dark side.
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Kingkeoni

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2015, 07:31:37 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on May 19, 2015, 02:27:45 PM
After kingkeoni chided me about window shopping, it got me thinking.
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.

 :thumbsup:

I'm glad you're buying  a new handgun.

On a side note, I pulled up an old permit to acquire with a photo from 20+ years ago and Damn I was good looking and had a lot of hair. What happened?
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passivekinetic

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2015, 08:01:44 PM »
Ah, Glock!

Finally! Haha!

1- Which model/ generation do you have?

17 Gen 4
19 Gen 4

2- Would you buy it again?
 
Definitely 17 and big maybe 19 (because I might use the 19 money for yet another Glock, probably in .45ACP)

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?

Sure, factory stock

4- What did you NOT like about it?

The trigger guard gives me what is called Glock Knuckle. Google it. I didn't even know it was that common. I have yet to take a Dremel to it. I wear gloves now, while mulling over the decision to modify my stock Glocks or not.

5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?

I have Trijicon night sights on both the 17 and 19. You need to buy a rear sight pusher for the Glocks, and a proper screwdriver for the front sight. Or get someone else to do it. I had a beavertail on the 19 but removed it eventually. I think the 17 comes with a beavertail which I attached (that is a recent part that comes from Glock in the box).

6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?

N/A although there are some options for adjustable sights on Glock. I suggest K.I.S.S. with the Glocks.

7- express any other pertinent comment

Glocks are my GO TO gun. I also have a Beretta 92A1 and that is a lovely, accurate gun. But the Glocks are really good except for the knuckle problem. I shot all day, four days, at Front Sight with a Glock 17. Fantastic gun.
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2015, 08:03:18 PM »
Quote from: Kingkeoni on May 19, 2015, 07:31:37 PM
:thumbsup:

I'm glad you're buying  a new handgun.

On a side note, I pulled up an old permit to acquire with a photo from 20+ years ago and Damn I was good looking and had a lot of hair. What happened?
...
I had bigger hair and aviator style glasses. LOL
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