Glock hindsight (Read 35531 times)

paka808

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2015, 08:32:25 PM »
After kingkeoni chided me about window shopping, it got me thinking.
I was procrastinating about buying a glock, not because of money.
It was the legal hurdles to obtaining a gun nowdays. I despise jumping through legal hoops.
That's a bad reason to delay because that means the antigun gang are influencing my behavior.
So I went down to hpd this morning and started the permit process.
They guy behind the glass pulled up my last permit with photo from 22 years ago. It was amusing.
So in a couple weeks I should get my first plastic gun.
So I would like to thank kk for giving me a little food for thought.
I would also like to say FU to all the anti g crowd who might stumble across this post.
lol,i agree F.U. to all the anti gun crowd.

macsak

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2015, 10:22:27 PM »
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Thanks bro...
I love the vp9 too. Feels great in my hand. Easy to shoot.
But I think my next purchase would be a g43. It's a very practical size.

so you got a 17?
welcome to the plastic gun crowd!

oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2015, 10:49:32 PM »
so you got a 17?
welcome to the plastic gun crowd!
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Oh yeah, it's a gen3 g17.
I played with it and it looks like a brand new gun. Nary a scratch!

Next thing I'll be building ar's, ak's, and 10.22's....
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talula

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2015, 11:55:22 PM »
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Oh yeah, it's a gen3 g17.
I played with it and it looks like a brand new gun. Nary a scratch!

Next thing I'll be building ar's, ak's, and 10.22's....
All right we are so proud of you. Remember baby steps.
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Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2015, 04:58:25 AM »
All right we are so proud of you. Remember baby steps.
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Yeah...
When I grow up I wanna be like you guys. :thumbsup:
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K30l4

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2015, 02:10:53 PM »
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Yeah...
When I grow up I wanna be like you guys.
LOL! That is hilarious. Thanks for making my day.

oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2015, 07:02:09 PM »
So I got this g17 now. I feel like it could use a bigger mag release and maybe that 3.5 ghost trigger.
Where is a good place to buy these parts?
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Surf

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2015, 09:23:45 PM »
So I got this g17 now. I feel like it could use a bigger mag release and maybe that 3.5 ghost trigger.
Where is a good place to buy these parts?
Bigger mag release as in protrudes farther out from the frame or has a larger finger contact area?  I would also suggest the Glock minus "-" connector or the Zev version. 

oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2015, 10:03:48 PM »
Bigger mag release as in protrudes farther out from the frame or has a larger finger contact area?  I would also suggest the Glock minus "-" connector or the Zev version.
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Slightly Extended release would be enough.
Recommend a vendor????
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Kingkeoni

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2015, 10:50:49 PM »
So I got this g17 now. I feel like it could use a bigger mag release and maybe that 3.5 ghost trigger.
Where is a good place to buy these parts?

You don't want those parts.

Hind, hindsight...

Get used to the trigger. Put in some trigger time before you spend the money on a lighter trigger.
The GLOCK trigger is "different" and almost every time someone gets a Glock for the first time, they want to change the trigger, but...
the trigger is actually perfect as it is. If you take the time to learn the trigger, you'll love it.
I have stock triggers on all my Glocks.

The extended magazine release is only useful in a competition gun where you're trying to shave time off your manipulation of your pistol.
In the real world, that extended magazine release gets caught on holsters and drops your mag at the most inopportune time.

Again, get used to the stock magazine release and after a year you still feel like you need to change it, then consider it at that time.
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Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2015, 05:22:16 AM »
You don't want those parts.

Hind, hindsight...

Get used to the trigger. Put in some trigger time before you spend the money on a lighter trigger.
The GLOCK trigger is "different" and almost every time someone gets a Glock for the first time, they want to change the trigger, but...
the trigger is actually perfect as it is. If you take the time to learn the trigger, you'll love it.
I have stock triggers on all my Glocks.

The extended magazine release is only useful in a competition gun where you're trying to shave time off your manipulation of your pistol.
In the real world, that extended magazine release gets caught on holsters and drops your mag at the most inopportune time.

Again, get used to the stock magazine release and after a year you still feel like you need to change it, then consider it at that time.
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I would normally offer the exact same advice to a newbie. But....
This is not going to be a defensive pistol. I can shoot glocks pretty well in stock form already.
The stock trigger is fine, I just want it a wee little bit better. And perhaps do something about the overtravel, which I notice to be slightly disturbing.
In fact I first noticed glock overtravel in mic808's g34 competition pistol. I thought it weird that a pistol marketed for competition would have so much overtravel.
As for the mag release, I got pretty small hands. On this particular pistol, I feel like I'm struggling to release the mag.
Right now, I'm going to use this primarily for load testing and a better trigger helps.
Who knows? I might use this to get back into competitive shooting, if I can lose about 20 more lbs.
I'm not trying to turn this block into one of my custom colts.  It just needs to get a little friendlier with my hand.

So who is a good vendor for parts?
« Last Edit: June 07, 2015, 08:30:04 AM by oldfart »
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Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2015, 08:09:56 AM »
I had my Glock work done at X-Ring,ghost trigger and disconnect.
Free install of parts while I waited (ext. mag release shaved down just a bit  and stipple job Dohertyusmc)
Went from 10 lbs trigger pull to 3.75
The offer is always open to try it out before you do the mods.

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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2015, 08:28:37 AM »
I had my Glock work done at X-Ring,ghost trigger and disconnect.
Free install of parts while I waited (ext. mag release shaved down just a bit  and stipple job Dohertyusmc)
Went from 10 lbs trigger pull to 3.75
The offer is always open to try it out before you do the mods.
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Thanks! I do live nearby there.
But it seems everybody says they do these things at home tho...
So if I wanted to buy mail order, then who would be a good online vendor?
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dogman

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2015, 08:49:14 AM »
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So if I wanted to buy mail order, then who would be a good online vendor?
Brownells
http://www.brownells.com/parts/Glock/index.htm?avs%7cSpecial-Filters_1=In+Stock

passivekinetic

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2015, 09:20:45 AM »
You don't want those parts.

Hind, hindsight...

Get used to the trigger. Put in some trigger time before you spend the money on a lighter trigger.
The GLOCK trigger is "different" and almost every time someone gets a Glock for the first time, they want to change the trigger, but...
the trigger is actually perfect as it is. If you take the time to learn the trigger, you'll love it.
I have stock triggers on all my Glocks.

The extended magazine release is only useful in a competition gun where you're trying to shave time off your manipulation of your pistol.
In the real world, that extended magazine release gets caught on holsters and drops your mag at the most inopportune time.

Again, get used to the stock magazine release and after a year you still feel like you need to change it, then consider it at that time.

Agree generally with KK. I think a major attraction of Glock is that it is simply a gun that you can shoot factory stock. It's not winning awards for good looks, but it is a go-to gun (that's how I consider it). It goes bang. It is a tool.

The only problem I have with the stock Glock is the trigger guard giving Glock Knuckle. That is the single worst thing in my opinion but not everyone suffers it.
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Surf

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2015, 10:18:01 AM »
Stock Glocks are just fine and I shoot them extremely well.  However IMO the great thing about the Glock is that is easy to literally "hand fit" the weapon to the shooter.  Oddly enough people do all kinds of things to expensive 1911's to "enhance" performance, but some people think that doing that to a inexpensive Glock is silly.  It actually makes more sense to do it on a Glock as it is much easier and much cheaper to perform on a Glock than say a 1911 AND the results can be literally night and day.  It makes less sense to not optimize a Glock to the shooter if that is what they desire.  I don't suggest people automatically do such modifications but rather suggest they learn the pistol as stock and it will give them a better idea of what modifications that they may like.  I did not assume that you were still learning it, but rather have informed reasons for wanting the changes.

For myself I have smaller hands, which is why the Gen4's were perfect.  Larger mag release button which was easier to get to and I didn't need to alter my grip on a reload.  For an extended type with the same button profile go with the Vickers in a Gen 3 or with the factory extended I tend to radius the edge.  We were doing this long before the Vickers and it is easy to do, but the Vickers is done already.  I too like to purchase parts from Brownells as I do have an account and that does help.  Anyone who qualifies, should look into an account with Brownells.  Stock parts I tend to come by from the factory. 

@GS, going from a 10lb trigger pull to a 3.75lb pull was not just the connector, but also ditching the NY trigger spring for a standard spring which IMO is a good thing.   

As for the Glock knuckle, if a shooter does not have that issue, either the shooter is probably not optimizing their grip, not shooting a high volume of rounds, or has leather, no, stone for hands.  If you do suffer from Glock knuckle, hand fitting the Glock is a lot cheaper and painless than undercutting a 1911.

As for the trigger, stock is not bad but it just takes a good bit of rounds to smooth them out and overtravel will be what it is when left as stock.  Good trigger work from a reputable person can optimize all of this instantly when performed correct.  I do triggers from leaving it at the stock 5.5lbs pull to about 4lbs on a defensive type of pistol, but the feel and travel is much better.  For range or competition I can go as low as about 1.5lbs, but just because I can, doesn't mean that is my preference.  The lowest pull I actually prefer is right at about 3lbs for a range or competition pistol.  If you pulled any of my Glock triggers, besides the two that must remain stock, there would be no going back. 

oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2015, 11:43:37 AM »
Thanks mr surf.
Great info and duly noted.
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Inspector

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2015, 01:24:07 PM »
OF,

You might want to check out this thread from 2012: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=3439.msg38559#msg38559

I did all the things you want to do to your Glock to my G17. It is easy and quick. After almost 3 years I am still happy with the mods I did. I saved the orig parts so I can put it back if I ever choose to do so. One thing I will say is that I spent many years learning to shoot well with that POS trigger before I modified it. I think I appreciated the 3.5 lb. connector even more after I installed it after almost 20 years with the orig trigger. Oh, the one mod I made that I still really appreciate is the extended mag release. It looks terrible. And it is not affected by my Kydex holster. Here is a link: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/744562/jp-enterprises-extended-magazine-release-glock-17-19-22-23-24-25-26-27-28-31-32-33-34-35-37-38-39-steel-blue. Also, I tried a few different extended slide releases. The one I felt was the best was the stock Glock extended release or an after market copy. The Glock extended slide release does not extend farther out from the frame then the stock slide release. It is only extended back a little. It allows a better purchase by your thumb. While it doesn't seem like much it is amazing how much more leverage I get by adding that small amount to the length.

If you ever want to see/try what I have done to my G17, I will be happy to bring it to the range and let you try it.
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Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2015, 07:39:17 PM »
I knew I was forgetting something.
The NY spring was swapped out on my G17.
Under cutting the trigger guard and removing the finger groves were the best mods done so far.
No more Glock knuckle.
Sounds like we need a Tupper ware range day to compare and evaluate.
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mic808

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2015, 07:58:01 PM »
btw OF. im using Lone Wolf 3.5lbs trigger connector. Lone Wolf barrel, 13 lbs Recoil Spring ( flat spring) stainless steel guide rod. and i polish all metal contact from the trigger connector to the trigger assembly. it make more crisp when pulling the trigger.