Glock hindsight (Read 35514 times)

tatonka

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2015, 03:48:13 PM »
First let me say I used to be a bit of a skeptic on Glocks. I didn't like the grip angle, I wanted a manual safety, and I just like more traditional firearms. I've shot a Beretta m9 for my entire adult life and that's just what I knew. Everything change when I shot my friends G 19.  Then I tried a 26 and loved it, a 17 and loved it, so now I am Glock through and through. I just don't see myself owning anything else. Maybe I'll get another 1911 one day but to be honest I'll probably be at the gun shop, have a 1911 in my hand, and see the Glock 30sf that I've been thinking about buying for ever and just get that.  So.... I'm a believer.

1- Which model/ generation do you have?
G17 gen4
G19 gen4
G43

2- Would you buy it again?
Hahaha yes I want more! 

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
It was great! 

4- What did you NOT like about it?
I prefer 3 dot sights.  All mine end up with something different anyway

5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
Just sights.  And a light /laser for the 17

6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
N/A

7- express any other pertinent comment
My Glocks have fired every time I pull the trigger no matter what ammo I had loaded. they're accurate out of the box, extremely lightweight , and flat out work. They've been around for a long long time and have proven themselves since the beginning. Like I said before there are other guns that I want but everytime I get close to buying something else I did end up buying another Glock.

Not sure if you know or not or if anyone else has posted, but the 34 was built to be a range gun. It has the lighter trigger the extended slide release and magazine catch, and adjustable sights.

oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2015, 03:45:20 PM »
Mahalo plenty to brother GTEC who offered me an extended mag release.
He gets a cookie!
« Last Edit: June 10, 2015, 05:36:35 AM by oldfart »
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mauidog

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2015, 05:04:21 PM »


Looking to mod your Glock?


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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2015, 09:31:01 PM »
So I got this g17 now. I feel like it could use a bigger mag release and maybe that 3.5 ghost trigger.
Where is a good place to buy these parts?
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After shooting this stock block for a few months I couldn't take the trigger any more.
If I shoot a hundred rounds, my trigger finger hurts too much.
Speedteks cousin told me to get a zev trigger. So I did.
So I took it apart today and installed the zev parts and an extended mag release courtesy of 2A member GTEC.
It feels much better now. I might shoot a match with it next month.
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macsak

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2015, 09:36:14 PM »
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After shooting this stock block for a few months I couldn't take the trigger any more.
If I shoot a hundred rounds, my trigger finger hurts too much.
Speedteks cousin told me to get a zev trigger. So I did.
So I took it apart today and installed the zev parts and an extended mag release courtesy of 2A member GTEC.
It feels much better now. I might shoot a match with it next month.
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 :thumbsup:

Drakiir84

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2015, 08:24:58 AM »
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
G17 Gen4

2- Would you buy it again?
Yes, but I'll be looking into a G19 if we get concealed carry.  I carry my G17 IWB at home and while it's fairly comfortable I would go for a G19 for all day carry.

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Out of the box impressions were mostly good.

4- What did you NOT like about it?
The trigger and the abrasive grip texture.  Long shooting sessions were not comfortable and the wife just couldn't handle shooting more than 5 or 6 magazines.

5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
a. HSP Skimmer Trigger.  $160, worth it imo.  Every Glock I buy will have one.  Easy to install.

b. Vickers extended mag release and slide stop, $15 & $19 respectively.  Cheap mods that were completely worth the cost.  I purchased them for my wife because of her small hands but they're quite useful for everyone.  Slide stop installation was a cinch, the mag release was a pain in the ass.  Would have been much easier with a metal dental pick.

c. Rubberized Talon Grips.  $17.  As stated earlier the stock grips were rather uncomfortable and the talon grips are a cheap and easy to install solution.  I have talon grips on pretty much every firearm.

d. Trapezoid grip breakdown tab.  $12.  Again another thing bought for the wife because she has fucked up thumb on one hand and a fucked up trigger finger on the other.  Easy installation, would recommend to anyone with hand strength or a hand injury that makes breakdown an issue.

6- If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
Stock night sights.

7- express any other pertinent comment
My first striker fired pistol was a VP9 and I love that gun but the more I shoot the G17 the more I love Glock.  Although it was originally purchased for my wife after she took LIFE's pistol safety class we have since switched as the VP9 fits her smaller hands better.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

Bota-CS1

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2015, 10:05:12 AM »
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After shooting this stock block for a few months I couldn't take the trigger any more.


 :rofl:  Gustav's revenge  >:D  Yeah the triggers are a mushy joke, funny but everywhere you read about Glock triggers everyone says the same thing.  It's on e of the first things I'd tell someone who's looking to buy one to replace along with the slide stop and sights.
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2015, 11:09:50 AM »
I've identified another reason my trigger finger hurts when shooting the block.
The bottom of my trigger finger rubs the inside of the trigger guard with every shot.
It has to do with the downward angle at which my finger approaches the trigger.
Couple that with the rough texture of the inside of the trigger guard and that spells irritation.
oh well....
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Bota-CS1

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #68 on: October 27, 2015, 11:26:51 AM »
I've identified another reason my trigger finger hurts when shooting the block.
The bottom of my trigger finger rubs the inside of the trigger guard with every shot.
It has to do with the downward angle at which my finger approaches the trigger.
Couple that with the rough texture of the inside of the trigger guard and that spells irritation.
oh well....

Some people develop something similar called Glock knuckle on the 1st knuckle of the middle finger of the strong hand.  In your case, you may be able to "smooth" out the area in question with ultra fine grit sand paper by removing a little material and checking for fit.
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

Legislation should never be about depriving law abiding citizens of something, but rather taking those things away from criminals.

oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2015, 11:43:33 AM »
Some people develop something similar called Glock knuckle on the 1st knuckle of the middle finger of the strong hand.  In your case, you may be able to "smooth" out the area in question with ultra fine grit sand paper by removing a little material and checking for fit.
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I don't have the knuckle rub yet.... Might try smoothing out that texture soon.
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whynow?

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2015, 01:37:36 PM »
I've identified another reason my trigger finger hurts when shooting the block.
The bottom of my trigger finger rubs the inside of the trigger guard with every shot.
It has to do with the downward angle at which my finger approaches the trigger.
Couple that with the rough texture of the inside of the trigger guard and that spells irritation.
oh well....
Funny you brought this up since my strong hand trigger finger does the same thing, but not the weak hand trigger finger.  I switched the mag release to the other side to see if it helps

loyalhunter

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2015, 04:12:06 PM »
Hey OF,

I have a Glock model 17 gen. 4 and I love it! I certainly would buy another Glock. Next purchase a model 41. The folks at OGC allowed me to test the trigger pull of several 17s before I chose the one to my liking. As it turned out my trigger was a cream puff, every other gen 4 Glock I tested had less than acceptable trigger pull. Understand, I'm used to my trigger on my 1911 which Ed Masaki brought it down to a nice 4 lbs.
No worries, the trigger on a Glock can be made to one's  liking by changing the trigger connector - about $30 and polishing the bar on it. Didn't change my trigger; just polished mines with Flitz.
The low axis bore and the dual recoil guide rod on a Glock gen. 4 helps reduce muzzle flip. For example, I did a side by side comparison with my Walter PPQ M2 in 40S&W and my friend's Glock model 23. Both pistols in same chambering and brl. length shooting the same ammo. The Glock had significantly less muzzle flip than my Walther during the shooting.
My Glock is not modified; however, I might want to change the factory fixed sights to easy to see night sights, whatever brand meets my needs and fancy. I like shooting my model 17 and my friend's  models 41 and 19.
You will not be disappointed in purchasing a Glock model 17 or a model 19.

                             Take care and happy shooting,
                              LH

loyalhunter

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #72 on: October 27, 2015, 04:21:27 PM »
OF, didnt realize thread is a year old.

oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #73 on: October 27, 2015, 04:53:21 PM »
OF, didnt realize thread is a year old.
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It's ok. You just added to the general knowledge base here.
I too have been shooting customized colt govt autos for several decades now.
The stock g17 I got is ok. But like the govt autos, they can use a good dose of tweaking.
It's going to take a while to get used to it.
Perhaps if I can get a few good practice sessions in the next few weeks, I'll attempt a shooting match...maybe
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #74 on: November 08, 2015, 06:00:39 AM »
Gents...
Went to the range to test the new ZEV trigger and some ammo yesterday.
The Zev kit works well. I can live with that trigger now. Light, smooth, no misfires.
There is a match coming up in 2 weeks, so I'm going to bust the cherry on this thing.
The pistol shoots 3" left for me but the elevation is right on. My son has a pusher. See the pic.
HAP bullets will do me nicely. Xtreme works ok too.
I got a FOBUS holster with the gun so that seems to work ok....might paint it brown to match the rest of my rig.
Got vac next week so I'll be out at KHSC if anybody wants to play some practice games with me.

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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2015, 05:16:35 AM »
Update.
Shot in a real match against younger faster kids for the first time in about 20 years.
I used this glock17 for the first time in competition. I placed ok, all things considered.
There was one major problem I experienced.
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I have only been practicing at the 25 yd range with the silly 5 rnd limit with this new glock.
When competing, obviously you load up to full capacity.
It takes significantly greater force to seat a full mag with the slide closed on a round up the spout due to the fully compressed mag spring.
Therefore I had a failure to seat on 1 run, and the mag fell out on the first shot. It took a few extra seconds to diagnose and recover.
Fortunately, in this case it did not affect the final score. If this were an actual defensive situation, it would be tragic.
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The moral of this story is:
If you are going to rely on a firearm for actual field use, better practice with it as realistically as possible.
Btw, back in the day I could and did practice at the 25 yd range with full capacity mags.

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robtmc

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2015, 04:50:08 PM »
Did you end up tweaking the rear sight or find out if your grip was causing the left bias to the hits?

oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2015, 06:46:47 PM »
Did you end up tweaking the rear sight or find out if your grip was causing the left bias to the hits?
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I have a great son that gave me a hi viz nite site and installed it too.
The gun shoots slightly left or dead center depending on the ammo.
One of the key principles of good marksmanship is consistent grip.
I'm not too thrilled about changing my grip much between different guns or ammunition.
On Saturday, I tested 6 different loads trying to establish a naturally accurate load for a stock glock bbl.
I can post photos and data if anyone is interested. So far every load groups about the same except the hap bullets.
Typical groups around 3.5 in. At 25 yds.
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Surf

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2015, 04:54:00 PM »
While ammo can be an issue it is often the trigger press or how the grip changes and exerts pressure on the weapon that causes the problem.  This is even more problematic with the Glock due to the curved face and hinged trigger of the Glock.  Also the hump on the backstrap and how it interacts with certain peoples hand sizes can be problematic as grip pressure changes throughout trigger movement.  I have found about that about 40% of those I encounter have an issue with a support side push that is often accompanied by a low impact.  So for a right hander, left and often low/left and opposite for a lefty.  Also much can be done with the Glock in regards to hand fitment, comfort and ergonomics.  It can do wonders to the pistol.  People hand fit 1911's all the time but have a hard time swallowing that concept on a cheapo Glock.  It actually makes more sense to me.

Here are a couple of resources that are many have found to be worth the read.  There are numerous other good threads there on the topic also.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?6637-Glock-Trigger-Press
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15877-How-much-trigger-finger/page4

I no longer support any online video content so some of the links don't work.  I do know of a video of mine that exists which was ripped by another person.  You can google "advanced trigger skills" and can probably find it.  Talks a lot about the Glock.   

oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2015, 06:31:28 PM »
Surf

I tried changing my grip technique as you suggest and it does change the point of impact.
Problem is that I've been shooting 45 auto for decades with the same grip so to change to a different technique when I pick up the glock is unnatural.
I do however suggest your techniques to new shooters who shoot left with glocks.
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Currently I'm ok with my glock impact and ergonomics....just trying to tailor my ammo for competition now.
That goal is to execute an "upper A zone" hit on demand from 25 yards.
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