Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts? (Read 11921 times)

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Jl808

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2014, 12:49:20 PM »
What the???? 

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mauidog

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2014, 12:56:11 PM »
One truth in his comments:  "...their universes are light years away from mine."

I bet that's true of the entire "sane" population as well!!

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oldfart

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2014, 01:01:10 PM »
I get the impression that this dude just wants the world to know that his family is rich and he can afford to lose a few bucks.
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kekoa

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2014, 03:44:06 PM »
We are growing pussies daily in America. I fear for our future.

kekoa

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2014, 03:44:58 PM »
I get the impression that this dude just wants the world to know that his family is rich and he can afford to lose a few bucks.

either that or he just set up the next hit for his new best mugger friends.

clshade

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2014, 04:25:03 PM »
I believe this is what the young fellow is inarticulately referring to:



And that only goes to 2007. The gap has increased significantly since then.

I read someone much more articulate (can't remember who or where) saying it this way: "If wealthy do not share their good fortune with the poor, the poor will share their misfortune with the wealthy."

Edit: source of that graphic: U.S. income inequality, on rise for decades, is now highest since 1928
« Last Edit: November 26, 2014, 04:37:43 PM by clshade »

Heavies

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2014, 04:40:56 PM »
I am not particularly wealthy, and I believe I have worked and earned hard for what I have.  I certainly do not want thugs and criminals taking what I have earned by force, and especially with them having an idea that I owe them something.  This turd seems to encourage this kind of wrong behavior, such as the same encouragement we see now going on in Furgeson. 

If this douche thinks that somehow he is that "privileged" why doesn't he give all his wealth away to these scumbags?  Because in typical wealthy liberal fashion he expects everyone else to pick up the tab for his modern "politically correct" mentality that says we (regular citizens) should feel sorry for this behavior, we should condone it, and we are somehow responsible for it.

edster48

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2014, 06:03:54 PM »
We are growing pussies daily in America. I fear for our future.

I agree. It scares me to think that puling ass suckers like this will be running the government in the future.
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ren

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2014, 09:14:47 PM »
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punaperson

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2014, 06:34:42 AM »
I believe this is what the young fellow is inarticulately referring to:



And that only goes to 2007. The gap has increased significantly since then.

I read someone much more articulate (can't remember who or where) saying it this way: "If wealthy do not share their good fortune with the poor, the poor will share their misfortune with the wealthy."

Edit: source of that graphic: U.S. income inequality, on rise for decades, is now highest since 1928
So your assertion is that the 99% on your graph, which I suspect would include almost everyone that reads this forum (my apologies to those of you reading this with annual incomes greater than $1,400,000 in 2007) are morally justified in using any means necessary to take whatever we want from that 1%? Because "inequality"? Can we only steal from the 1%? What about the 2%, why leave that second tier out? If someone is at the lower end of the 99% shouldn't they be able to steal from anyone who has income/possessions greater than themselves? Is the "right to steal" based upon some degree of greater income? Please tell us the percentage greater income that morally and legally justifies stealing. I'd think you'd have to include some kind of "right to assault" (and perhaps even "right to kill") if these people of greater wealth physically resisted giving their possessions or money to the poor deprived. Why limit special rights negating previous moral standards to monetary/financial/physical possessions "inequality"? What about the "inequality" of sexual contact? Should the people at the lower end of the sexual activity spectrum have a "right" to sexually assault whomever they please because of their "deprivation"? Would that include children? Why not? Please present your coherent and logically consistent standard by which the "deprived" ought to be allowed a different legal and moral standard than the "non-deprived", and how you define those terms.
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punaperson

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2014, 06:39:30 AM »
I agree. It scares me to think that puling ass suckers like this will be running the government in the future.
Looks like the perfect candidate for a well-paying lifelong government position dictating law and morals to the rest of us via "common sense regulations"...

punaperson

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2014, 09:26:49 AM »
Woody Allen puts this concept of "right to steal" into the fictional mouths of his parents in the first 35 seconds of this clip from Annie Hall (1977):



mauidog

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2014, 10:07:05 AM »
Quote
“The millennial generation is taking over the reins of the world, and thus we are presented with a wonderful opportunity to right some of the wrongs of the past,” writes Friedfeld.
“Until we do so, we should get comfortable with sporadic muggings and break-ins. I can hardly blame them. The cards are all in our hands, and we’re not playing them.”
-- Oliver Friedfeld

Basically, he believes criminals are caused by society and situation, not character. 

Same Liberal idiocy that's given us the revolving door prison system that seeks to "rehabilitate" versus punish.

Let's not impose consequences when criminals are caught.  Let's just give them a free college education so they then have more options!   :wtf:

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Victim-of-home-invasion-offers-college-education-5889219.php
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Jl808

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2014, 10:34:30 AM »
It doesn't take more than psych 101 to learn that you get what you reward.

Don't reward bad behavior.
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hvybarrels

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2014, 10:38:49 AM »
Please present your coherent and logically consistent standard by which the "deprived" ought to be allowed a different legal and moral standard than the "non-deprived", and how you define those terms.

What justification does the 1% use to continue it's theft and graft? If we all follow the same line of kleptomaniac thinking then we have a fair and balanced society. That's what you are seeing now. The bottom is simply following the rules that the top laid out for itself.
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punaperson

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2014, 11:40:11 AM »
What justification does the 1% use to continue it's theft and graft? If we all follow the same line of kleptomaniac thinking then we have a fair and balanced society. That's what you are seeing now. The bottom is simply following the rules that the top laid out for itself.
You're claiming that ALL, or even a majority of the over 3 million people in the "1%" are criminals guilty of theft and graft? Source? Are you, conversely, asserting that NONE of the 316 million people in the "99%" are guilty of theft and graft? Source? When I first read your comment I thought (was hoping) it was sarcasm/irony/satire, but re-read it and suspect you might be serious. And even if it were true that the 1% were all criminals, you're answer is to violently steal from them? Are you drawing a hard and fast line at 1%? Or who exactly can steal from whom based on their income or net value (or some other factor of "deprivation")? Can someone with half your net worth steal from you? One quarter your net worth? Homeless? Why not? You're "rich" to them.
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clshade

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2014, 02:05:51 PM »
Punaperson, I didn't present ANY argument at all.

I presented a perspective on the boy's point of view that was related. Sure, he's a young liberal nutcase. But the ideas he is articulating (poorly) are actually quite valid. Its the very same dynamic that CAUSED the French Revolution, the Soviet one, and to a lesser degree the American Revolution.

If I were to present in argument as I have been invited to:

There is nothing wrong with richness and I don't think the 1% (for the lack of a more accurate term) are thieves.

I DO think it is a Problem when someone caught with just a little too much pot goes to jail and someone who is responsible for tanking the economy gets a raise after his failing bank is bailed out with tax dollars. I think its a problem when Wall Street's economic indicators say we've pretty much recovered from the sub-prime lending crisis of 2007 but the vast majority of that "recovery" has gone to the top 10%. Meanwhile, unemployment is down but wages - adjusted for inflation - are LOWER. The buying power of the lower, middle and even lower upper classes has diminished ~significantly~ while the wealth accumulated at the top has increased even more significantly. CEO's make 331 times the wages of their ~average~ worker and that continues to trend up even though we know that during our best economic times it was more like 15:1. Compared to 5 years ago, company's are making 38% more profit per employee - and paying them LESS.

I think its a problem that GE hasn't paid a cent in federal taxes for the past few years but we want to cut SNAP benefits to people who generally aren't lazy - the just have fewer living wage options since companies like GE have moved most of their manufacturing overseas. I think its a problem that Walmart employees are also the largest single group of welfare recipients - and that the Waltons seem fine with being more outrageously wealthy than ever and letting the tax payers pick up the slack left by their low wages. Federal minimum wage is about $15,080 a year, full time. (Each member of the Walton family makes roughly that amount in the time it takes them to shower.)

I think its a problem that we know economic challenges cause increased crime and that our response has be to privatize prisons and incarcerate a higher percentage of the population than all but 1 other country in the world. Is that being hard on crime or weak on trying to eradicate poverty? Hell, the impoverished are now a commodity: that's even better than trying to eradicate poverty and crime.

There are people who benefit from these problems.  The 1% aren't thieves. What they are doing is legal - in part because they have so much influence on making laws. But it is NOT ethical to increase the wealth inequality gap to the extreme degree that we have. We now compete with 3rd world dictatorships for wealth inequality. We have the highest level of wealth inequality of any 1st world nation.

Money is power. Always has been. If those with the money and the power don't chose to reverse the extreme trend of wealth going only to the top then the bottom will eventually get out the pitch forks, light the torches and sharpen the guillotines.

Our wealth inequality hasn't been this high since 1928. Does that year seem ominous to you? I think that is a problem, too. But the very people who stand to benefit from (yet) another financial collapse are the ones who are wealthy enough to weather it well. They'll just soak up what little of the real wealth they don't already own when the rest of us are scrambling to find work. That's exactly what happened during the Great Depression and it took the extreme need (and near socialistic governmental control of the wartime economy) of WWII to start bringing us back from it. Collapses are the mechanism by which wealth flows quickly from the middle class to the upper class so why would they want to keep another one from happening? Or even have a problem with another World War afterwards?

Meanwhile, its not like the percentage of wealth that is leaving the lower and middle classes is matched by a corresponding drop in the prices of essentials. Food costs are a higher percentage of income, as are housing and energy. And nothing indicates that trend is changing. If it continues too far everyone of us here is likely to be far more closely related to that mugger than we are to the silly young fellow who at least has the good grace to realize he isn't too much of a victim.

Do you want to wait until your only option is a pitchfork before doing something about the raging wealth inequality trend we are currently "enjoying?" Or do we still believe that if you just work hard enough you, too, can be part of the smaller and smaller group of people that is actually getting ahead?

Jl808

Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2014, 02:35:19 PM »
The author of the article who grew up privileged is feeling bad about the plight of the "misunderstood" good boys who mugged him.

He fails to realize that his privilege was not given to him by the government but is the fruit/reward of the sweat, sacrifice and tears put in by his grandparents and parents who worked hard and loved him enough to discipline him, give him a good life, send him to a good school so that he can get a good job.  Instead of feeling sorry about the punks who mugged him, he should consider the holiday today and be thankful for his parents and his grandparents and for the opportunities that this country has afforded him and his family.  That privilege he enjoys came at a price and should not be thrown / given away thoughtlessly.

Our circumstances are a result of the choices we make and the choices made by those who have responsibility for us when we were kids.  Unfortunately, life's not always fair but oh well what can we do?  Like the Korean saying goes, "fall down 7 times, get up 8 times".

Like the black guy said in the video in the other thread, Americans need to be rid of this "victim" mentality and learn respect for others and their elders.  There is no excuse for unethical behavior whether in the top 1%, the bottom 1% or anywhere in-between. Instead of looting and acting like jackasses, folks need to have a "can do" attitude, learn how to make a living, work hard collaboratively with others and do the honorable thing to improve their circumstances.



Hmm... I think I'm gonna go spend some time with my dad and mom now.  Have a Happy Thanksgiving Day everyone!
« Last Edit: November 27, 2014, 03:32:13 PM by Jl808 »
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punaperson

Re: Ever wonder why people say liberals are nuts?
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2014, 08:50:17 AM »
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