Alright, so I picked up the 92A1 on Saturday. Went to shoot it today. From the get-go, it had failure to extract, failure to feed, and mostly does not lock back on final shot. Stovepiping. Next round would get stuck in the process of feeding into the chamber, slide partially open.


What I think may be the problem:

I'm new at shooting this particular gun
Limp wristing
Running it too dry


Tried two of the three factory magazines.

I really doubt it's the gun's fault. I'm pretty sure it's my lack of experience with an all-steel handgun like this.

Is this a new or used gun?  Gun clean or dirty?  Reloads or factory ammo?  Hard ball or hollow points?  Finally...........potentially extractor issues?

I'm not familiar with the 92 platform, but these are where I'd start with most pistols (besides the potential causes you've listed).

I don't know much about the 92's, but I doubt it's anything to do with your shooting technique.  The way you pull the trigger shouldn't make the gun stovepipe or fail to feed.  I've got a Cougar in 45ACP, which is pretty similar to the 92's; and I had some issues when I first bought the pistol like you're talking about.  Especially the one where a round goes about halfway up the feed ramp and the slide doesn't have the oomph to shove it the rest of the way up.  I think I also had a few stovepipes and whatnot.  I bought mine used, but it looked like brand new.  (To the extent that the bottom of the slide and feed ramp didn't have wear marks from cycling ammunition.)  Anyway, after two or three hundred rounds, it seemed to break in a bit and now I've got probably two or three thousand down the pipe, and I can't remember the last time I had a weapon malfunction of any kind.  I was pretty upset with the crappy pistol I bought, and almost sold it, but I'm glad I didn't.  I like the ergonomics of the pistol, and it's reliable as hell.  Now that's it's all broken in, it's solid as a rock; I'd bet my life on it's reliability.  (Which we all have to do with our HD pieces)  If you're shooting a new or like-new pistol, with good quality factory ammo, I'd just keep shooting it.  Until mine broke in well, I just got in the habit of smacking the back of the slide with my hand, because that would get the #$^@ing slide to go the rest of the way to battery.  I wouldn't recommend this, however, since I did get a little forceful once and put a nice little snake bite on the palm of my hand.  Slide rails are sharp!  Haha.

If you're shooting reloads, you may need to try a little hotter powder charge. (WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF YOUR MANUAL!)  If you've rolled your own, and stayed at the low end of the spectrum for powder charge, your rounds might just need a little more howzit to propery cycle the action.

My prescription is this: buy two 100 round boxes of Winchester white box at Sports Authority.  Shoot it all, and call me in the morning.     My theory, based on nothing but my own musings, is that the good folks at Beretta make a hell of a fine pistol.  It's a little tight out of the box, and needs to get some rounds down range before everything breaks in and loosens up, because they're manufactured to such tight tolerances.  At least, that's what I'd like to believe, since I spent a good bit of change on the old girl!    

I too seriously doubt this is your fault.

I had a couple of buddies that had beretta 92's and they had similar problems.

There's a reason that outside of the military contract very few people buy these pistols anymore.

 Dregs - have you tried using 115 grain 9mm vs. 124 grain?  Our issued weapons operate better with 124 grain bullet instead of the 115 g.  Our M9’s were procured with an understanding of using higher pressure bullets in harsh environments.  I can only take a guess but that's our opinion.  Please let us know what happens.
Break in Period:  I understand in Hawaii you cannot run the 10-8 qualification course that Jason Falla showed us when we attended one of his Redback One Courses that was sponsored by Grey Group.  However, if you get the chance to run it, it might be a way to stress your second line blaster while following some kind of structure training regiment for testing/evaluation purposes, instead of just blasting away at the ready line.  We were always trained to maximize your trigger time and while neutralizing bad habits in the process of training.

Alright, so I picked up the 92A1 on Saturday. Went to shoot it today. From the get-go, it had failure to extract, failure to feed, and mostly does not lock back on final shot. Stovepiping. Next round would get stuck in the process of feeding into the chamber, slide partially open.


What I think may be the problem:

I'm new at shooting this particular gun
Limp wristing
Running it too dry


Tried two of the three factory magazines.

I really doubt it's the gun's fault. I'm pretty sure it's my lack of experience with an all-steel handgun like this.

That is worse than my Sig P230SL I am still working with. At least mine always gets the same malfunction (failure to chamber) plus it is using low powered .380 ACP ammunition, and is a model known to sometimes have problems with limp wristing.

I don't see why an all-steel handgun would be more prone to jamming than one with a plastic frame. If anything the increased mass of all-steel handguns should reduce the likelihood of jamming. My 9mm Sig P226 never jams no matter how limp I hold it or what I do.

Between picking the gun up and taking it to the range, did you disassemble, clean, and lube it?  If not, I'll bet a 6-pack that most of your problems evaporate once you have. 

Thanks guys for the advice.

I haven't tried any other ammo than PMC. Planning on bulldozing through the problem and just fire off rounds and break it in. Hopefully it fixes itself. lol.

I actually have broken it down and cleaned and lubed it before taking it to the range. I greased the hell out of the metal to metal contact points now, and hopefully it works better. Will find out next weekend. lol.

Thanks guys for the advice.

I haven't tried any other ammo than PMC. Planning on bulldozing through the problem and just fire off rounds and break it in. Hopefully it fixes itself. lol.

I actually have broken it down and cleaned and lubed it before taking it to the range. I greased the hell out of the metal to metal contact points now, and hopefully it works better. Will find out next weekend. lol.

Definitely try  different types/brands of ammo.

As I'm sure you know, many guns have their preferences as to what types/brands of ammo they like and don't like.

Alright, so I picked up the 92A1 on Saturday. Went to shoot it today. From the get-go, it had failure to extract, failure to feed, and mostly does not lock back on final shot. Stovepiping. Next round would get stuck in the process of feeding into the chamber, slide partially open.


What I think may be the problem:

I'm new at shooting this particular gun
Limp wristing
Running it too dry


Tried two of the three factory magazines.

I really doubt it's the gun's fault. I'm pretty sure it's my lack of experience with an all-steel handgun like this.

Dregs,

I'm new to the sport and had the same problem three weeks ago when I took my newly purchased Glock 22 (.40)  with the 9mm barrel conversion to the range three weeks ago.

I picked up a couple of boxes of cheap  CCI Blazers in the 9mm and loaded two factory 9mm mags and started shooting. The glock failed to extract and eject on almost every single round. Being a newbie, it was downright scary seeing a round stuck in the breach after every shot. I dropped the mag and wracked the slide to clear the jammed casing which easily cleared.  What was weird was that the second mag did not exhibit the same problem. I thought it was the ammo since I read a lot of complaints after I bought the ammo and thought that the mag may be contributing the problem as well since the second mag did not exhibit the same failures. In any event,  I went through four mags experiencing the same failures until one of the range officials walked over to me and asked if I was using a glock 22 with the conversion barrel to which I replied in the affirmative. He advised me that he had seen it happen before with another glock 22 and mentioned that he thought the dual spring was too stiff and asked me what ammo weight I was using ( I think the Blazers are 115 grains). He suggested that I try heavier ammo and told me that I was limp wristing the gun which could contribute to the problem.

I followed his advise and held a firm grip on he Glock and went through the next 100 rounds without a single mishap.

While the cheap ammo may have played a role in the failures I experience, the major contributing factor, IMO, was my technique (or lack thereof!).

I know this is probably off the subject but I think my friend has a Berretta 92A1... Those pistol's are trippy... Everytime I shoot my friends one it kicks nicely... It's wierd cause the gun is big, light and recoils nicely... Must be the design...

I thought Berettas had an aluminum frame. 

Quote from: Dregs on July 31, 2011, 08:12:59 PM

Alright, so I picked up the 92A1 on Saturday. Went to shoot it today. From the get-go, it had failure to extract, failure to feed, and mostly does not lock back on final shot. Stovepiping. Next round would get stuck in the process of feeding into the chamber, slide partially open.


What I think may be the problem:

I'm new at shooting this particular gun
Limp wristing
Running it too dry


Tried two of the three factory magazines.

I really doubt it's the gun's fault. I'm pretty sure it's my lack of experience with an all-steel handgun like this.

Dregs,

I'm new to the sport and had the same problem three weeks ago when I took my newly purchased Glock 22 (.40)  with the 9mm barrel conversion to the range three weeks ago.

I picked up a couple of boxes of cheap  CCI Blazers in the 9mm and loaded two factory 9mm mags and started shooting. The glock failed to extract and eject on almost every single round. Being a newbie, it was downright scary seeing a round stuck in the breach after every shot. I dropped the mag and wracked the slide to clear the jammed casing which easily cleared.  What was weird was that the second mag did not exhibit the same problem. I thought it was the ammo since I read a lot of complaints after I bought the ammo and thought that the mag may be contributing the problem as well since the second mag did not exhibit the same failures. In any event,  I went through four mags experiencing the same failures until one of the range officials walked over to me and asked if I was using a glock 22 with the conversion barrel to which I replied in the affirmative. He advised me that he had seen it happen before with another glock 22 and mentioned that he thought the dual spring was too stiff and asked me what ammo weight I was using ( I think the Blazers are 115 grains). He suggested that I try heavier ammo and told me that I was limp wristing the gun which could contribute to the problem.

I followed his advise and held a firm grip on he Glock and went through the next 100 rounds without a single mishap.

While the cheap ammo may have played a role in the failures I experience, the major contributing factor, IMO, was my technique (or lack thereof!).

Mr. Fark, this may help:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1322590

- Alex

Dregs, Update? Did you ever get this issue sorted out?

- Alex

Yes! All fixed! Just a wear-in issue or under-lubricated issue I suppose. After 150~ rounds, voodu gave it a nice lube and a few pulls with a boresnake and wallah! No more stovepipe/failure to feed/etc. It has actually run perfect since. Now....as far as not locking back....that was my own noob mistake. My grip was so my thumb holds down the slide release......yeh. It was seriously that stupid of a mistake. lol.

So:
No more issues. Runs perfect! Once I get 9mm JHP's, I might replace it for my nightstand gun just because I love how sexy it is. But.....my xd is probably more realistic.

Yes! All fixed! Just a wear-in issue or under-lubricated issue I suppose. After 150~ rounds, voodu gave it a nice lube and a few pulls with a boresnake and wallah! No more stovepipe/failure to feed/etc. It has actually run perfect since. Now....as far as not locking back....that was my own noob mistake. My grip was so my thumb holds down the slide release......yeh. It was seriously that stupid of a mistake. lol.

So:
No more issues. Runs perfect! Once I get 9mm JHP's, I might replace it for my nightstand gun just because I love how sexy it is. But.....my xd is probably more realistic.

She was dirty and needed some lube.  Nothing that can't turn your average Friday night  guttersnipe into a winning ride!

thanks.  we all learn from each other's experience.