Has anyone tried to permanently affix a polymer magazine to a polymer AR lower using some means and successfully register this at HPD?  I'm thinking epoxy, JB weld, or other plastic welding process?  LMK if can pls

I asked HPD and they said "no".

I asked HPD and they said "no".

that sucks. Thanks for the info.

HPD has no jurisdiction as to how a firearm is manufactured.  HRS has no provisions for HPD to do such things. HRS nor HPD have testing protocols , only BATF issued a bulletin during the 90s for affixing permeant barrels.

HPD has no jurisdiction as to how a firearm is manufactured.  HRS has no provisions for HPD to do such things. HRS nor HPD have testing protocols , only BATF issued a bulletin during the 90s for affixing permeant barrels.

so what Suka, you think get chance?

I'd go with epoxy and plastic welding technique,
both combinations will yield a strong bond. This should be sufficient to bond the mag to the receiver

with a polymer lower and polymer upper . its easy to keep it under 50oz , then it won't need to have the mag welder.

with a polymer lower and polymer upper . its easy to keep it under 50oz , then it won't need to have the mag welder.

Help me understand please.  What does keeping it under 50 oz get me, and how does it not require the mag weld?

 "Assault pistol" means a semiautomatic pistol which accepts a detachable magazine and which has two or more of the following characteristics:

     (1)  An ammunition magazine which attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

     (2)  A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer;

     (3)  A shroud which is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and which permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;

     (4)  A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;

     (5)  A centerfire pistol with an overall length of twelve inches or more; or

     (6)  It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;

but does not include a firearm with a barrel sixteen or more inches in length, an antique pistol as defined in this section or a curio or relic as those terms are used in 18 United States Code §921(16) or 27 Code of Federal Regulations 178.11

An "Assault Pistol" defined by HRS is a semi-auto with a detachable magazine PLUS two or more of the "evil features" that define "Assault Pistol".

Therefore, if it is 12" or less, weighs less than 50 oz., has no barrel shroud (fore grip), and no threaded barrel, the AR type pistol build would only have a single feature, a magazine that attaches outside of the pistol grip.

As such, it is a pistol which in Hawaii is limited to 10 rounds if the magazine is detachable.

AR pistol builds typically have welded magazines to exclude them from the "Assault Pistol" definition because doing so negates the detachable magazine feature.  This in turn allows every other feature to be utilized without restriction.  It also allows 50+ round drums if one is inclined to do so since the 10 round limit only applies to detachable magazines.

As for the requirement for welding by HPD, it should be noted that the ATF made a decision concerning the Olympic Arms OA-96 regarding it's inability to accept a detachable magazine.  A copy of the email can be read at the end of the following site:

http://www.quarterbore.com/ar15m16/oa93.htm

Knowing Firearms Division however, I'd expect to either wait there for the whole day or be flat out denied in the first minute.  After that is in a lawyers hands should anyone really want to go there.

Incidentally, the OA-98 was manufactured specifically for the "Assault Weapon Ban" that has sunset.  A 4" barrel would make it a Hawaii legal detachable magazine AR pistol (Less than 12" in length).

Thanks for the clarification Falken Hawke.  It's as I understood. 
Was thinking more along the lines of this.

Instead of this.

An "Assault Pistol" defined by HRS is a semi-auto with a detachable magazine PLUS two or more of the "evil features" that define "Assault Pistol".

Therefore, if it is 12" or less, weighs less than 50 oz., has no barrel shroud (fore grip), and no threaded barrel, the AR type pistol build would only have a single feature, a magazine that attaches outside of the pistol grip.

As such, it is a pistol which in Hawaii is limited to 10 rounds if the magazine is detachable.

AR pistol builds typically have welded magazines to exclude them from the "Assault Pistol" definition because doing so negates the detachable magazine feature.  This in turn allows every other feature to be utilized without restriction.  It also allows 50+ round drums if one is inclined to do so since the 10 round limit only applies to detachable magazines.

As for the requirement for welding by HPD, it should be noted that the ATF made a decision concerning the Olympic Arms OA-96 regarding it's inability to accept a detachable magazine.  A copy of the email can be read at the end of the following site:

http://www.quarterbore.com/ar15m16/oa93.htm

Knowing Firearms Division however, I'd expect to either wait there for the whole day or be flat out denied in the first minute.  After that is in a lawyers hands should anyone really want to go there.

Incidentally, the OA-98 was manufactured specifically for the "Assault Weapon Ban" that has sunset.  A 4" barrel would make it a Hawaii legal detachable magazine AR pistol (Less than 12" in length).

So does that mean I could get a polymer lower and bind it to a 50-round drum while having a 7.5" barrel upper? Sorry if I didn't understand.  I've always wanted a short barreled rifle but every state I've lived in so far doesn't allow NFA. 

yes ！！！