Storing weapons at a different location? (Read 22846 times)

Jdelacruz

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2014, 07:04:42 PM »
Thanks for the links. Looks like the bus website needs to be more specific.

Wake27

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2014, 11:09:52 PM »
The law as written does not include other places.


Place of business, or sojourn or :

    (1)  A place of repair;

     (2)  A target range;

     (3)  A licensed dealer's place of business;

     (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

     (5)  A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or

     (6)  A police station.

Wow. So according to that I was in violation when I drove them from the airport when I flew them in  ::). The HRA page says "meeting or show." While I'd actually read that part of the law before trying it, couldn't I just say that I was coming from a "meeting?"

zippz

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2014, 11:16:00 PM »
Wow. So according to that I was in violation when I drove them from the airport when I flew them in  ::). The HRA page says "meeting or show." While I'd actually read that part of the law before trying it, couldn't I just say that I was coming from a "meeting?"

If going / coming from the airport, I'd say it's being transported from a place of sojourn. 
I know, don't use logic.

For meetings, it says organized/scheduled.  So I'd expect advertisements, meeting notes, etc.

hvybarrels

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2014, 12:30:50 AM »
I'm having a tattoo artist draw on an old beat-up stock before finishing it. It would be nice if I could take the whole thing to him so at least he could check out the lines. Technically it's repair but not gonna push it. Photos of the receiver will have to do.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

mauidog

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2014, 08:37:06 PM »
Yesterday, I used the Ask HPD web form to ask about taking firearms on The Bus.  Got the answer today...

Quote
Just had this question come up with someone a few weeks ago. 

TheBus has a policy of no firearms on the TheBus.  We have not been able to get an answer about the new rail system.  We have to wait for the security policies to be published.



HPD Firearms Section

 :shaka:

Next step would be to ask TheBus for a copy of that policy. 

The closest I saw online says nothing dangerous is permitted that could harm other passengers.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

macsak

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2014, 08:48:00 PM »
I'm having a tattoo artist draw on an old beat-up stock before finishing it. It would be nice if I could take the whole thing to him so at least he could check out the lines. Technically it's repair but not gonna push it. Photos of the receiver will have to do.

long guns can be loaned for 2 weeks

mauidog

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2014, 08:58:16 PM »
long guns can be loaned for 2 weeks

As long as you both meet at one of the authorized locations to hand the gun to the the borrower?

LOL!   :wave:
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

Funtimes

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2015, 12:54:11 AM »
Wow. So according to that I was in violation when I drove them from the airport when I flew them in  ::). The HRA page says "meeting or show." While I'd actually read that part of the law before trying it, couldn't I just say that I was coming from a "meeting?"

meeting or show is not in the law. There are six places, no more, no less lol.
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Funtimes

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2015, 12:57:09 AM »
If going / coming from the airport, I'd say it's being transported from a place of sojourn. 
I know, don't use logic.

For meetings, it says organized/scheduled.  So I'd expect advertisements, meeting notes, etc.

Meetings is not there, I haven't looked, but there may be things governing "shows."  I'm thinking the HHAA gets a permit for their activity, I'm not sure.

The only thing we know for sure is that carrying a gun in your home is alright, and that the court didn't agree that you couldn't shoot a handgun at the range.  (there is no exemption for target shooting a pistol).   I do know that almost every gun conviction has been a places to keep violation, so it's pretty broad. 
Guy was busted with one at a gas station, he went to jail.  Ala Moana (he was arrested, don't know the disposition).    There is some litigation coming on this in the near future though I suspect.
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Jdelacruz

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2015, 06:37:35 AM »
So technically if I got into a car accident going or coming from the range and pulled over into a parking lot to wait for police the officer could arrest me? Or if my car stalled and was towed to the nearest repair place that would be illegal as well? Wow this made me realize how stupid the law is.

punaperson

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2015, 07:07:36 AM »
So technically if I got into a car accident going or coming from the range and pulled over into a parking lot to wait for police the officer could arrest me? Or if my car stalled and was towed to the nearest repair place that would be illegal as well? Wow this made me realize how stupid the law is.
It's anything BUT stupid to the nanny-statists who seek as many (poorly-written, vague and nebulous) laws as possible that can be applied in an arbitrary and capricious manner to harass any citizens who they deem to be "troublesome" or otherwise inconvenient or problematic in furthering their agenda of total control. The fact that it is illogical, irrational, and in no way, by any stretch of the imagination, enhances "public safety" only serves to further demonstrate their capacity to impose government's virtually unlimited power over its subjects, who may or may not be granted certain privileges at their whim. Rights? You ain't got no steenkin' rights.

mauidog

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2015, 11:53:23 AM »
It's anything BUT stupid to the nanny-statists who seek as many (poorly-written, vague and nebulous) laws as possible that can be applied in an arbitrary and capricious manner to harass any citizens who they deem to be "troublesome" or otherwise inconvenient or problematic in furthering their agenda of total control. The fact that it is illogical, irrational, and in no way, by any stretch of the imagination, enhances "public safety" only serves to further demonstrate their capacity to impose government's virtually unlimited power over its subjects, who may or may not be granted certain privileges at their whim. Rights? You ain't got no steenkin' rights.

When we have elected politicians who don't own or understand guns, or even have basic firearm knowledge beyond what they see on TV and the movie screen making the laws governing firearms, THIS is what we wind up with!

Clips, Ghost Guns, Disposal of Empty Magazines, Barrel Shrouds ("That thing that goes over your shoulder"), Automatic, Assault Rifle, High Capacity Magazines, Gun Show Loophole ... these are all terms either made up or misapplied recently by legislators.  Most of the people mouthing the words the anti-gunners fed them have no idea whether what they are saying makes sense or is even true!  It's as if these law makers are reading a script about how nuclear fusion works with no basic understanding of science!

I personally believe these academics are just lawyers with little to no experience in the areas they are trying to make law.  They rely on special interest groups and their party to "guide" them, spoon feeding them the talking points that justify the vote being recommended.

And, let's face it.  If the recommended vote falls in line with the lawmaker's own Liberal biases and agendas, he/she is more likely to lean that way if the talking points sound rational to them.  The points don't have to be fact-based as long as they tug at the public's heartstrings or can be backed up by 40 year old stats.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.   -- Jeff Cooper

macsak

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2015, 11:55:37 AM »
When we have elected politicians who don't own or understand guns, or even have basic firearm knowledge beyond what they see on TV and the movie screen making the laws governing firearms, THIS is what we wind up with!

Clips, Ghost Guns, Disposal of Empty Magazines, Barrel Shrouds ("That thing that goes over your shoulder"), Automatic, Assault Rifle, High Capacity Magazines, Gun Show Loophole ... these are all terms either made up or misapplied recently by legislators.  Most of the people mouthing the words the anti-gunners fed them have no idea whether what they are saying makes sense or is even true!  It's as if these law makers are reading a script about how nuclear fusion works with no basic understanding of science!

I personally believe these academics are just lawyers with little to no experience in the areas they are trying to make law.  They rely on special interest groups and their party to "guide" them, spoon feeding them the talking points that justify the vote being recommended.

And, let's face it.  If the recommended vote falls in line with the lawmaker's own Liberal biases and agendas, he/she is more likely to lean that way if the talking points sound rational to them.  The points don't have to be fact-based as long as they tug at the public's heartstrings or can be backed up by 40 year old stats.

you forgot "assault magazines"
 :wacko:

Tom

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2015, 12:46:22 PM »
Please take note that the transport law doesn't allow you take guns to your friends house (or an airport, camping per DLNR, UPS by the airport or any other shipping facility for that matter).

I guess you could take your guns to your friends house if you spent the night since that would be your place of sojourn.
Tom
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MisterEd

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2015, 01:58:41 PM »
So when moving out of state....  and taking firearms with yous declared and checked baggage on an airline to your new home....   you would be en-route to home from your 'place of sojourn or from your current residence to your new 'place of sojourn'....

( I think )

  ???    :wtf:

I will be very happy in my new gun friendly state of residence.
  aloha,
    Mr. Ed

MisterEd

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2015, 01:59:46 PM »
Make that 'with you as declared luggage'....   ( hate it when the computer skips keystrokes )

Tom

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2015, 04:04:15 PM »
So when moving out of state....  and taking firearms with yous declared and checked baggage on an airline to your new home....   you would be en-route to home from your 'place of sojourn or from your current residence to your new 'place of sojourn'....

( I think )


Yes, I think that is it.  I would argue that you are leaving from "home" enroute to your place of sojourn.  I am not a lawyer.
Tom
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MisterEd

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2015, 10:45:04 AM »
Regarding taking guns to the airport for travel.  I just spoke with an officer at the HPD firearms unit.  He said that would be covered as to/from 'place of sojourn' under HRS statute.

Funtimes

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2015, 12:40:55 PM »
So when moving out of state....  and taking firearms with yous declared and checked baggage on an airline to your new home....   you would be en-route to home from your 'place of sojourn or from your current residence to your new 'place of sojourn'....

( I think )

  ???    :wtf:

I will be very happy in my new gun friendly state of residence.
  aloha,
    Mr. Ed

FOPA doesn't cover airline though.  Something to think about!
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Funtimes

Re: Storing weapons at a different location?
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2015, 12:42:16 PM »
Regarding taking guns to the airport for travel.  I just spoke with an officer at the HPD firearms unit.  He said that would be covered as to/from 'place of sojourn' under HRS statute.

1st Mistake: Asking HPD for legal advice.  He clearly does not know what he is talking about.  What if I went to Maui to work and took a gun with a return trip scheduled that afternoon?  Where is my "place you stay, generally overnight."?

This also isn't to say you can't get off the charge, or that they would even bring charges, but the law reads the way it reads.  Just like there is no exemption for shooting pistols at the range.  (look it up!).   Idiots wrote these laws.  It makes me even more upset that attorneys participated and couldn't catch this very basic stuff.
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