1st Mistake: Asking HPD for legal advice.  He clearly does not know what he is talking about.  What if I went to Maui to work and took a gun with a return trip scheduled that afternoon?  Where is my "place you stay, generally overnight."?

This also isn't to say you can't get off the charge, or that they would even bring charges, but the law reads the way it reads.  Just like there is no exemption for shooting pistols at the range.  (look it up!).   Idiots wrote these laws.  It makes me even more upset that attorneys participated and couldn't catch this very basic stuff.

Another possible/partial explanation besides idiocy might be malevolence, in which case some attorneys may have intentionally "not caught" the absurdities of the irrational, preposterous laws they wrote. Such ambiguities give law enforcement the option to apply or not apply the laws to particular circumstances as they so determine via their "discretion" (see: Peruta). Washington's states newly enacted I-594 has similar vague and ambiguous language, and is now subject to a court challenge, even though the "authorities" assert that they would never enforce it as the words actually read: most handing (even momentarily) of most firearms in most locations by most people from one person to another constitutes a "transfer" and must undergo a background check (with "record keeping", aka "registration"), or you are both criminals. Likewise the lawyers who wrote and passed (under a "state of emergency" in less than 24 hours)  New York's SAFE Act, wherein magazines were limited to 7 rounds had to be amended because there are almost no 7 rounds magazines for most handguns. So they made it legal to have a larger capacity magazine, but illegal to put more than 7 rounds in it. Now THAT'S idiocy. 

  What if I went to Maui to work and took a gun with a return trip scheduled that afternoon?  Where is my "place you stay, generally overnight."?

Wouldn't that be covered by taking to a place of employment (assuming employer allows it).  Or if you are shooting at the gun range on Maui then should be good as long as no other stops.  Mode of transportation doesn't matter, so it doesn't matter if going to an airport/bus stop/rental car place as that would still be a direct route (using that mode of transportation) from your home to the range.

Just like there is no exemption for shooting pistols at the range.  (look it up!).   

Can you please explain? you mean Kokohead?

When we have elected politicians who don't own or understand guns, or even have basic firearm knowledge beyond what they see on TV and the movie screen making the laws governing firearms, THIS is what we wind up with!

Clips, Ghost Guns, Disposal of Empty Magazines, Barrel Shrouds ("That thing that goes over your shoulder"), Automatic, Assault Rifle, High Capacity Magazines, Gun Show Loophole ... these are all terms either made up or misapplied recently by legislators.  Most of the people mouthing the words the anti-gunners fed them have no idea whether what they are saying makes sense or is even true!  It's as if these law makers are reading a script about how nuclear fusion works with no basic understanding of science!

I just wanted to mention that Carolyn McCarthy, elected on her "gun control" advocacy, and the author of the bill banning barrel shrouds, will (finally... after 18 years) be retired from the House when the next Congress is sworn in today. I seem to never tire (though it leaves my mouth hanging open...) of seeing the video of Tucker Carlson attempting to ask her what a barrel shroud is and how she avoids the question three times until he interrupts her and asks if she knows what it is that her bill bans: "I actually don't know what a barrel shroud... I believe it's the shoulder thing that goes up." Our best and brightest, serving us, for our own good.



 

Can you please explain? you mean Kokohead?

Yeah take a look at the shooting exemptions. You will notice someone forgot to put pistols!  If they ever enforced it (they actually can't now), it would be the most unconstitutional thing ever; not to mention sponsored by practice etc.  But yeah, it's not there!  You will notice hunting, but a lack of target shooting.

So remember that Hawaii starts out by banning everything, and then providing exemptions.  Part A here is what allows you to target shoot at the range.  Part C is what should apply to pistols, but only says hunting.   The judge / city kind of estopped themselves from ever enforcing the lack of pistols in our case though. They didn't agree that it doesn't prohibit shooting at the range, but you will notice pistol is not in part a.    It really just goes to show when people wrote it, they didn't know what they were doing. 

See here:

§134-5  Possession by licensed hunters and minors; target shooting; game hunting.  (a)  Any person of the age of sixteen years, or over or any person under the age of sixteen years while accompanied by an adult, may carry and use any lawfully acquired rifle or shotgun and suitable ammunition while actually engaged in hunting or target shooting or while going to and from the place of hunting or target shooting; provided that the person has procured a hunting license under chapter 183D, part II.  A hunting license shall not be required for persons engaged in target shooting.
     (b)  A permit shall not be required when any lawfully acquired firearm is lent to a person, including a minor, upon a target range or similar facility for purposes of target shooting; provided that the period of the loan does not exceed the time in which the person actually engages in target shooting upon the premises.
     (c)  A person may carry unconcealed and use a lawfully acquired pistol or revolver while actually engaged in hunting game mammals, if that pistol or revolver and its suitable ammunition are acceptable for hunting by rules adopted pursuant to section 183D-3 and if that person is licensed pursuant to part II of chapter 183D.  The pistol or revolver may be transported in an enclosed container, as defined in section 134-25 in the course of going to and from the place of the hunt, notwithstanding section 134-26. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2; am L 1997, c 254, §§1, 4; am L 2000, c 96, §1; am L 2002, c 79, §1; am L 2006, c 66, §2]

meeting or show is not in the law. There are six places, no more, no less lol.

Pretty sure the HRA website is referring to this:

  (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

Damn Fun !

That's messed up ! 

Pretty sure the HRA website is referring to this:

  (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

Yeah, sorry, you could do a "gun show" but a meeting would be kind of questionable; I think I just got ahead of myself by saying meeting *and* show.  You can take it to a gun show, but a regular meeting you could be up shit creek I think.  I also don't know what permits are required for a "gun show."  So then the city would likely say you violated something and weren't protected by that law etc.  Would be a huge mess lol.

I had on my bucket list to do a permitted 1st amendment gun show in front of city hall. Never got around to it though *yet* =/

I had on my bucket list to do a permitted 1st amendment gun show in front of city hall. Never got around to it though *yet* =/

For the opening of the Texas legislative session some folks are going to be CNCing 80% lowers into finished (stripped) lowers all day in front of the capitol building. Wonder how that'd go over at 415 S. Beretania St.?