To obtain the medical clearance I saw my doctor for the follow up I chose not to go to.here is the diagnosis.HPD was then sent a medical clearance letter stating no longer adversely affected blah blah blah.

The process is bullshit. Need to get more pro2a into Hawaii politics and change it.

To obtain the medical clearance I saw my doctor for the follow up I chose not to go to.here is the diagnosis.HPD was then sent a medical clearance letter stating no longer adversely affected blah blah blah.

Wait, So since you didn't go to your follow-up, your doctor decided to decline your permit to acquire request?  On his own, even though you didn't have any disqualifying qualifications?   If so that's screwed up.

Wait, So since you didn't go to your follow-up, your doctor decided to decline your permit to acquire request?  On his own, even though you didn't have any disqualifying qualifications?   If so that's screwed up.

yes she did

If I read his response right, it's not for the flu:

Yep, noticed that after I posted.

correct.I was just not feeling good & since I had never seen a doctor in years I thought it would be a good idea to be checked out.they basically nothing was actually wrong but  told me I was overweight and wanted me to do a series of blood test for cholesterol/blood sugar and what not.i did one follow up and the results were "eat healthy and let's do a follow up" I never went back.

HPD would not give me a copy.they said the denial had no specific reason but a denial is a denial.my doctor would not return my phone calls for 2 days.a nurse called me back while typing my clearance letter to say while they have no problems with me owning a firearm now they are concerned that I have children in the house.I have another follow up with my doctor(a follow up from the hoop jumping I did to get the clearance letter)and going to politely demand a copy.

The info about the renewing letter every year & submitting every app was given by HPD.

So you basically went in for a check up, you decided not to go back for a follow up she wanted, she got pissed and sent HPD a denial letter. Now she's back pedaling { how gracious of her to "not have a problem with you owning a firearm" BTW } saying she's concerned because of "children in the house"? How does this fall into a category of being mentally unfit to own firearms?

Where in any of this has this doctor stated that you have some kind of mental issue or psychological problem or medical issue that disqualifies you from owning a firearm?

Get a copy of this letter, speak to an attorney, and fire this woman immediately. This can't be legal.

Edit: I looked it up, the only reason you must have a medical clearance, is if you had a DUI and counseling was ordered.

Also, doctors are covered by immunity to civil liability if they render an opinion, as long as it wasn't an act of malice.

This seems kind of malicious to me.

I am confused. How does Kaiser and Straub follow different guidelines then say HMSA or Tripler? Is this a law or a provider thing? 

Seems like each doctor or health care service provider follows their own guideline.

yes she did

I think she violated your civil rights!  THIS IS NOT RIGHT!  What she said you are not fit because you a little chunky?  This is so freaking insulting, to you and to everyone else that values the 2nd and the Constitution.

Thanks for the replies.im gonna take a walk on my lunch break to a law office down the road.I refuse to check yes on a box on the firearm application questionnaire with "explanation" when I should not have to.

To obtain the medical clearance I saw my doctor for the follow up I chose not to go to.here is the diagnosis.HPD was then sent a medical clearance letter stating no longer adversely affected blah blah blah.

Was the diagnosis something that would disqualify you from owning firearms? I understand if you don't want your medical history disclosed on the forum, but it's difficult to figure things out without critical pieces of info.

Generally doctors have immunity from any actions revolving around the denials they may provide to HPD, but those denials should be based on the disqualifying conditions stated in law. If the reason given was children in the house that is not good cause.

Was the diagnosis something that would disqualify you from owning firearms? I understand if you don't want your medical history disclosed on the forum, but it's difficult to figure things out without critical pieces of info.

Generally doctors have immunity from any actions revolving around the denials they may provide to HPD, but those denials should be based on the disqualifying conditions stated in law. If the reason given was children in the house that is not good cause.

what info are you looking for? thats a picture of the diagnosis given to me by the doctor
Today's diagnosis include:
272.4 hyperlipemia =high cholesterol
Vo4.81 influenza vacc=flu shot
790.21 pre-diabetes=getting close to diabetes

I don't think those disqualify me..do you?

Don't Think reason was children .that was not brought up until they were writing my clearance letter.the only info I'm missing is the actual denial letter & that is a mystery to me also

what info are you looking for? thats a picture of the diagnosis given to me by the doctor
Today's diagnosis include:
272.4 hyperlipemia =high cholesterol
Vo4.81 influenza vacc=flu shot
790.21 pre-diabetes=getting close to diabetes

I don't think those disqualify me..do you?

Don't Think reason was children .that was not brought up until they were writing my clearance letter.the only info I'm missing is the actual denial letter & that is a mystery to me also

Don't you know?  Diabetes is the reason!

What if you are having a bad insulin day, and your blood sugar is way low?  That can result in confusion and diminished mental capacity! 

We have to nip these potentially life-threatening mental problems in the bud before it becomes a problem!!

Type 2 diabetes in mid and late-life is associated with an increased risk of developing cognitive impairment and dementia.

http://www.yourbrainmatters.org.au/brain_health/evidence/diabetes

K so I didn't have $2500 on me..no lawyer yet

Don't you know?  Diabetes is the reason!

What if you are having a bad insulin day, and your blood sugar is way low?  That can result in confusion and diminished mental capacity! 

We have to nip these potentially life-threatening mental problems in the bud before it becomes a problem!!

Type 2 diabetes in mid and late-life is associated with an increased risk of developing cognitive impairment and dementia.

http://www.yourbrainmatters.org.au/brain_health/evidence/diabetes

fact:pre-diabetes is not diabetes/type 2 diabetes and there a lot of "what ifs" in the world

fact:pre-diabetes is not diabetes/type 2 diabetes and there a lot of "what ifs" in the world

Sorry.   Using facts and logic is out of bounds!  We have to look at all potential commonalities between historical shootings and people who might do them in the future.

Mental health can't be predicted very accurately, so we have to find arbitrary characteristics that allow us to strip you of your guns.

If denying 10 million of their rights by classifying them as "maybe this pre-condition indicates a .001% chance of developing a dangerous mental condition", it's worth it if it saves just one life!

 

Sorry.   Using facts and logic is out of bounds!  We have to look at all potential commonalities between historical shootings and people who might do them in the future.

Mental health can't be predicted very accurately, so we have to find arbitrary characteristics that allow us to strip you of your guns.

If denying 10 million of their rights by classifying them as "maybe this pre-condition indicates a .001% chance of developing a dangerous mental condition", it's worth it if it saves just one life!

 

I/m guessing a copy of what was sent to HPD was also refused by the Physician?

Your medical records are yours and available to you whenever you want.  If refused, I'd say there is something going on that should not be.

what info are you looking for? thats a picture of the diagnosis given to me by the doctor
Today's diagnosis include:
272.4 hyperlipemia =high cholesterol
Vo4.81 influenza vacc=flu shot
790.21 pre-diabetes=getting close to diabetes

I don't think those disqualify me..do you?

Don't Think reason was children .that was not brought up until they were writing my clearance letter.the only info I'm missing is the actual denial letter & that is a mystery to me also

Sorry, for some reason the picture with the diagnosis wasn't visible when I commented.

You have no disqualifying conditions. I would suggest that you make an appointment with the risk manager at Kaiser. When you go, take your documentation and tell her the situation. Have her review your chart for any information that might have been entered into your chart that might be interpreted as a disqualifying condition. Then suggest that, absent some information to the contrary, the denial letter was without cause and was a malicious attempt to deprive you of your constitutional rights and could subject the organization to a civil rights suit.

The qualified immunity offered to physicians under HRS 134.18 is negated if the physician acted with malice.

§134-18  Qualified immunity for physicians, psychologists, or psychiatrists who provide information on permit applicants.  There shall be no civil liability for any physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist who provides information or renders an opinion in response to an inquiry made for purposes of issuing a firearm permit under section 134-2 or for purposes of investigating the continuing mental health of the holder of a valid firearm permit provided that the physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist acted without malice.

I have HMSA.sorry if the info is scattered throughout my postings but I'm just confused about it.im thankful for the help 

K so I didn't have $2500 on me..no lawyer yet

I don't think you would have much of a case. Sure I think perhaps you could win but what kind of damages would you be able to claim? With the amount of time you would spend it might not be worth it.